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Entered on: October 10, 2007 12:00 AM by Creeko
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All right, its my turn to be the proud father, I present to you Hugo Heiss. Born on the 7th of Oct. weighing in at 2.8 kilos. You better lock your daughter up, Zilla, unless you keep dressing her up like fruit then you probably wont have too much to worry about.

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From: Ross Entered on: October 10, 2007 3:02 PM

Wow, I managed to miss this already, sorry!  If it wasn't for Fatty's message I wouldn't have seen this - a hearty congradulantions  to the Creeko family!  

Double-H is looking good!  Though I can't understand kilos, you damn Europeans.... :)

From: Ross Entered on: October 10, 2007 3:26 PM
Also, Creeko, don't forget that I invited you to the Flickr Jackassery group - you can easily add photos to the top bar on the main page this way.  
From: Jackzilla Entered on: October 11, 2007 3:43 PM

What a cutey!  I almost forget Anna used to be that little!

Bert - I added a Flickr pic and fornicated the main JA page.  I'm fairly certain BigPappy is somehow responsible.

From: Jackzilla Entered on: October 11, 2007 5:01 PM
Fixed it.  Apparently my me putting quotes in the picture's title fornicated things.  Renamed without quotes: problem solved!
From: Ross Entered on: October 11, 2007 5:26 PM
Yes, I should have mentioned that issue - I've encountered it before as well and I thought I had put in a workaround but I guess I didn't - anyway, the tooltip window thingy isn't my code and it can't handle the quotes, so I'm denying any programming fault on my side...
From: NickNick Entered on: October 12, 2007 7:46 AM
Hey.  Since Will's new name is Bigpappy, does he have a rap album ready to come out. 
From: Jackzilla Entered on: October 12, 2007 9:45 AM
When BigPappy returns to the States, he and DJ Zilla are gonna finally record the soon-to-be-smash hit "Booty Quake."
From: Ross Entered on: October 12, 2007 11:19 AM
When was the last single?  Was that "Big Willy Ho"?

From: Jackzilla Entered on: October 12, 2007 1:15 PM
"Ode 2 Breadsticks" and "White Boy Funk" were previous Zilla solo efforts.  "Big Willy Ho!" was a minor experiment by Zilla & Fatty that was never fleshed out.  Our first full-on collaboration -- "Booty Quake!" -- is going to knock the cat's ass right the 'F' off!
From: Ross Entered on: October 12, 2007 1:36 PM

I love this pic:


and the caption:

The Baby Cart...... Straight from the Grocery Store

They sure do know how to economize over there in Hungary!

From: BigFatty Entered on: October 12, 2007 3:52 PM

You can't even imagine.... No, I think you can.... Think about what an old communist hospital would be like.....  imagine WWII era buildings and equipment still in use, hospital ward-based rooms - we were lucky to have a 2 roomer instead of a 6 roomer.  Guests bring the mothers fruit and food instead of flowers.  And my favorite......  Dorm bathrooms (meaning one large one per floor where the poor mother have to walk down the hall to after giving birth) where you bring your own toilet paper from home.  Plus there are the bribes you give to the Docs and Nurses to make sure you get your pain meds and nursing care on time.

My girls come home tomorrow.  Not a day too soon!

From: BigFatty Entered on: October 15, 2007 2:54 AM

Creeko placed a photo on JA Flickr, but it was not pulled into the photostream....  You want to check to see if he is properly set up?  It is one of my favorite baby pics!  Reminds me of a baby plotting to take over the world :)


From: Ross Entered on: October 15, 2007 7:16 AM

Sheeit... Zilla had the same problem when we first tried this thing out. 

Zilla, do you remember how we fixed it? 

From: NickNick Entered on: October 15, 2007 7:28 AM
God, listening to Fatty talk about the health care over there makes me glad to be in the states.  Even though the trend seems to be leaning towards a woah is me attitude.  We can complain as much as we want about the bumbling idiots we have in the government and how the economy sucks, but we still have it better than most of the world.  By the way, Will, that is one beautiful baby you got there.  Good thing he got his looks from his mom.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: October 15, 2007 12:01 PM
Bert - I believe the problem healed itself.  I love when that happens.

From: Radmobile Entered on: October 15, 2007 12:17 PM
NickNick said:
By the way, Will, that is one beautiful baby you got there.  Good thing he got his looks from his mom.

Uhh, dude.  I think it's a girl.  Unless Vivien is a common boy's name in Hungary.  Hugo is Creeko's offspring if that's where the cornfusion comes from.
From: NickNick Entered on: October 15, 2007 3:42 PM
All right.  Forgive me for getting confused when the two brothers decided to have their babies at the same time and then talk about it on the same topic.  I'm only able to itemize 1 item at a time.  That means only one facet of the conversation.  So please, from now on, refrain from adding offshoots on topics for it will confuse me and may kill me as well..... or you could just continue on as usual and I could try to pay a little more attention.
From: BigFatty Entered on: October 29, 2007 3:09 PM

More amazing Hungarian Hospital stories......  We got the total bill for Melinda's and Vivien's hospital stay.  It was totally covered by the state, but if it was not, we would have paid a whopping $600 for a four day stay.  $600 was what the state paid the hospital.  Shit ninja, I did not realize that toilet paper was so damn much!  No wonder the US healthcare system is so expensive - they provide FREE TP!!!  Someone better tell H. Clinton of this secret.

So we did have some out-of-pocket costs.... our doctor bribe.  His unofficial thank-you (plus what we gave to the delivery nurse) amounted to $400. 

From: Ross Entered on: October 29, 2007 3:34 PM

Dude, $600 is whopping?  Heather told me the bill for our stay (we paid about $200 total, I believe), but before insurance, it was WAY higher than a paltry $125/day.  

I'll have to have her post the numbers, it's pretty ridiculous. 

From: BigFatty Entered on: October 29, 2007 3:41 PM
Oh, I thought my sarcasm was obvious.  My bad!  I should have did the italics or the *whopping*.  But yes, our cost was zero.  This was the actual cost of their stay.  Its crazy cheap!  That included the delivery and the room/care.
From: Ross Entered on: October 29, 2007 3:44 PM
Well, clearly they are saving some money by heading down to the local grocer to get bassinets.  The Hungarians are nothing if not frugal.
From: BigFatty Entered on: October 29, 2007 4:43 PM
HAHAHA -I think those carts were not from the grocer, but were used for carting around their sasquatchian cranks.  Crank carts.  Sadly, my crank still slips neatly into my underwear.  The Hungarian water holds no powers for greatness.
From: Creeko Entered on: October 29, 2007 5:53 PM
I too had the free HC option but we were lucky enough to have the choice for the private suit with guest bed and it's own bathroom. But socialized medicine here is really isn't that bad. I have no problem with it especially if you take into account that no one gets rejected regardless the complexity of their situation.
From: Heather Entered on: October 30, 2007 11:05 AM

I just looked at our itemized bills.  Before insurance, the total cost for delivery and my 3 night stay was $12,102.94.  I paid $206.50, insurance picked up the rest.  Logan's charges for his stay were $2,641.94.  We haven't had to pay anything for him yet as we haven't heard anything from Ross's insurance.

 And we didn't have to "bribe" anyone to deliver our boy! :)

From: BigFatty Entered on: October 30, 2007 11:48 AM

Well, we really can't compare costs, since you went the C-section route.  But it is safe to say that Hungary's cost are significantly lower.  We can compare the babies' cost.  Vivi's was about $150 for 4 days.

We did pay more out of pocket, but that is not mandatory, but it is recommended.  It makes sure you get the best treatment from your doc. and nurses.  We could of went to a public doc, but they may not be as good.  We paid for each doctors visit, which was not included in the bribe.  If we went public, that would all be free (check that, $1 co-pay).  But the best thing about our doctor was he was affiliated with the better public hospital, with the best baby ward.  He was able to get us in there for no extra charge.  Budapest had a new rule this year requiring patients to go to the hospital in their neighborhood.  If you go outside, you are charged for the hospital.  Our neighborhood is not so sweet, and it is the same for the hospital.

But, even though the hospital conditions were not great, Melinda got the necessary care.  Where the US explodes in costs is, many hospital tends to get a lot of expensive - 'Just in case' equipment.  They compete with each other on services - duplicating services, equipment, thus increasing costs.  Plus they have cutting edge technology, which is very expensive.

If we have another baby, I'd like to have it in the US so Melinda can compare the difference.  It certainly would be nicer.  But, if I had no insurance, like so many in the US.... It would be cheaper and feasible to fly to Hungary and pay cash for some major stuff.

From: Ross Entered on: October 30, 2007 11:58 AM

We actually missed the new women's hospital at Northwestern by a couple of months - it just opened. While I can't complain about the amenities at our place (it had wi-fi, which is right up there with IVs and crash carts on the importance scale) so I was relatively happy.  The only thing that sucked from my perspective was the "guest bed" was like a torture chamber, it was so uncomfortable.

The new hospital rooms are off the hook - they each have 42" flatscreens in them - so I can't wait to knock 'er up again to take advantage of the new features!


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