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Entered on: September 25, 2006 12:00 AM by BigFatty

Against threats from Jack of a light saber photoshopping, here is a photo of me and my priest, the Benedictine Monk Albin. He gave us a private tour of his monestary in Pannonia, Hungary. It was real cool and real interesting. Their monestary is older than Hungary, over 1000 years old!

PHOTO 242 - 14 Comments
From: Ross Entered on: September 25, 2006 9:59 AM
....must....resist urge....to make joke.... about.... predating.....his....tory....
From: Creeko Entered on: September 25, 2006 5:41 PM
How can something be older than the country it resides in. Was it prefabricated off site then hauled into Hungary after they named it?  You could say that about the London bridge in Arizona because it was actually re-assembled there and I believe it is older than Arizona. (I could be wrong) Is the Hagia Sophia older than Turkey just because it was built in Byzantium, later to be known as Constantinople (or some prefer Konstantinoupolis) now known as Istanbul? I say that every thing within a country's current borders is part of its heritage and therfore to be included in its history predating it or not.
From: Ross Entered on: September 25, 2006 6:54 PM
So dinosaur bones found in Montana aren't older than the United States?
From: Jackzilla Entered on: September 25, 2006 9:21 PM
Good point, Bert.  The dinosaur bones are about 3,000 years old or so, much older than Montana. Creeko - Were you home schooled?
From: Creeko Entered on: September 25, 2006 9:21 PM
Unless they migrated from Canada. Otherwise they're good ol' American Bones. If someone asked you where they were found, what would you say?
From: Ross Entered on: September 26, 2006 9:37 AM
You're insane, by the way, Creeko.  You realize there are fossils that are older than the continents, right?  You have to draw the line somewhere.  Strange as it sounds, Fatty's statement actually makes perfect sense, and I apparently now have to launch into elementary teacher mode to explain.  Countries definitely have ages.  The United States is considered 230 years old.  That makes dinosaur bones older than the US by many orders of magnitude.  Just because they were found on land that is now considered part of th US does not make them American Bones.  Of course we may lay claim to their excavation, but they are most assuredly not "part of our hertiage" in any meaningful way.  How could they?  We weren't even around back then! So when Fatty says "Their monestary is older than Hungary," that is a completely uncontroversial statement.  Countries have ages.  (Note that a country is separate from the land it is founded upon - borders change, after all.  What makes a country, in addition to geography, is the culture and politics, which are not eternal) If the nation-state of Hungary is considered to be less than 1,000 years old, then Fatty's statement is true.
From: Creeko Entered on: September 26, 2006 3:42 PM
Well, until they open up the Pangaea Museum of Natural History, you can still go see American dinasaur bones at the Field Muesum of Natural History right there in Chicago. I believe there is a Tyrannosaurus Rex fossile there that goes by the name of Sue who's remains were found (and the Field museum will back me up on this one) in South Dakota.
From: Ross Entered on: September 26, 2006 6:26 PM
None of that silliness in any way invalidates my incredibly uncontentious thesis: that something can be older than the country it resides in.  Fatty said this, you objected to it, but he's right and you're wrong.
From: The Bone Entered on: September 26, 2006 6:25 PM
Umm, they were found in what is now known as South Dakota. Too much Sangria Creeko - Bert's right, you are off your rocker on this one.
From: Creeko Entered on: September 26, 2006 11:49 PM
Fuck Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
From: Creeko Entered on: September 27, 2006 8:49 AM
If I had more time (I leave St. Louis today) I would debate this topic for the sake of debating it, even if I know I don't have any ground to stand on. It's so much fun getting Ross to wax on so poignantly about logic and reason. He's such a left brainer. 01000110 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 01110101 01110101 01110101 01110101 01110101 01110101 00100001 That's binary for Fuck youuuuuuuuu!
From: Ross Entered on: September 27, 2006 9:55 AM
And now to be truly annoying, I will explain the conversion between that binary string and the english equivalent, since I know Creeko didn't do it himself: Let's take the first set of  binary digits: 01000110.  This represents F.  Why? Starting from left to right, the number columns represent decimal values of 128, 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1.  So for each place where there's a 1, you'd add it's value to the total.  In this case, the 1's are set in the 64, 4, and 2 places, which totals to 70.  Now, since Creeko didn't specify that he was using ASCII (more or less the standard these days for text), we use this table to see what the ASCII character value of 70 decimal is.  Sure enough, it's F.    Repeat for each set and you can decipher his classy message.
From: John Entered on: September 27, 2006 12:07 PM
What's funny is I had to do this very thing in a cellphone class, not that I wound up putting it to any use mind you.
From: The Bone Entered on: September 28, 2006 6:48 PM
Well folks, I'm off to sea for a little over a month. We are actually pulling in to San Francisco for Fleet Week from th 7th-11th. Should be good times. Other than that, I'll be off the site for a while. Good luck getting married Fatty.