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From my daily DIamond Comics e-mail: Popular men's magazine Maxim has revealed a special Sin City alternate cover for its May issue featuring exclusive art by Frank Miller!

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From: Ross Entered on: March 22, 2005 2:08 PM
That is freakin awesome. That reminds me, I have a Zippo lighter with that same exact picture on it.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: March 23, 2005 11:12 AM
Here's Zilla with more insider scoop on Sin City (per Diamond):  
Sin City Movie Promoted at Best Buy with Free DVD Giveaway  
Dimension Films and Troublemaker Studios have teamed with national retailer Best Buy for a free, promotional DVD designed to build interest in the forthcoming, Dark Horse Comics-based Sin City motion picture!  
The disc, which will be given away at Best Buy locations starting March 27, will feature the film's trailer, behind-the-scenes interviews with the cast and crew, exclusive scenes from Sin City, as well as trailers for a number of other Dimension projects currently on DVD, and coupons for future Best Buy purchases.  
Co-directed by Robert Rodriguez (Spy Kids) and Sin City creator Frank Miller, and starring a bevy of Hollywood heavyweights like Bruce Willis (Fifth Element) as Hartigan, Jessica Alba (Fantastic Four) as Nancy, Mickey Rourke (Once Upon a Time in Mexico) as Marv, Clive Owen (King Arthur) as Dwight, and many others, Dimension's Sin City is scheduled to open on April 1. See below for linked listings of available and upcoming merchandise, and start capitalizing on this eagerly anticipated film!  

From: Ross Entered on: March 23, 2005 11:35 AM
I read about this on Superhero hype as well. I'll have to get it, of course. I will be like Swerb with Simpsons toys on this one.
From: Swerb Entered on: March 23, 2005 2:26 PM
Speaking of Sin City, I'm seeing it next Wednesday, motherfuckers! As usual, I am Swerb Sweet.
From: Ross Entered on: March 23, 2005 3:46 PM
Fuck you, you fucking fuckety fuckball!  
The first review (to my knowledge) is out:

From: The Bone Entered on: March 23, 2005 4:14 PM
"Jessica Alba plays a dancer who certainly looks like a million bucks as she gyrates on stage, yet she sounds flat and bland whenever she has a line of dialogue. "  
I guess they can Barbie Up her image but not her shitty acting abilities.
From: Ross Entered on: March 23, 2005 4:21 PM
I agree, man. I never liked the idea that she was playing Nancy. It's not like she's Meryl Streep and you need some serious acting talent. Why are they compromising with her? If you want her to play a stripper and she won't strip, then NEXT!
From: Ross Entered on: March 25, 2005 9:14 AM
The reviews have started rolling in, and so far they are quite positive:
From: Ross Entered on: March 25, 2005 5:45 PM
Also this is cool. IGN's Essential Frank Miller list:
From: Swerb Entered on: March 25, 2005 6:48 PM
Well, I jinxed myself... this fuckin' fuckety fuckball is no longer reviewing Sin City. The story is too convoluted and dull to tell, but suffice it to say, my Swerb Sweetness in this instance should be revoked. I'll be seeing it Friday just like everybody else.
From: Ross Entered on: March 25, 2005 7:00 PM
Waitaminute... is there someone more qualified to review it than you? After all, you're good friends with Frank Millerth Biggeth Fan!
From: Swerb Entered on: March 27, 2005 7:24 PM
Hee hee hee... it's a scheduling conflict, and it really bites my ass. Like I said, dull story, but John Douglas will review it, and he at least knows his comics... and his Rodriguez films, actually.
From: Swerb Entered on: March 28, 2005 10:44 AM
By the way, Bert, do you agree with that Essential Frank Miller list? Just curious. And what's this about a movie based on 300? I haven't heard anything about it.
From: Swerb Entered on: March 28, 2005 12:28 PM
This review is fucking sweet:

From: The Bone Entered on: March 28, 2005 12:42 PM
Being a casual comic fan, I was unaware that Frank Miller wrote a story about the Battle of Thermopylae (300). I'm going to have to procure this immediately. Can't wait for the movie.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: March 29, 2005 11:30 AM
Nothing new on the SIN CITY SNEAK PREVIEW dvd. Just dvd-quality versions of the preview video from way back, the current trailer and the behind the scenes segment that was on Yahoo. Oh yeah, and hella ads for other Dimension/Miramax product.  
Oh well. It was free.  

From: Swerb Entered on: March 30, 2005 4:38 PM
Well, I Swerbed up my schedule today, and managed to make it to the Sin City screening (no Official Swerb Review, but who cares at this point)... it was pretty fucking sweet. Don't want to give away any details, but there's no doubt I'm going to see it again this weekend, maybe twice. Mickey Rourke is perfect as Marv, just as badass as I'd hoped, and thankfully, none of the violence is toned down in the least. I laughed with glee several times. 'Nuff said.
From: BigFatty Entered on: March 30, 2005 4:57 PM
Swerb = Sweet  
'Nuff said!
From: The Bone Entered on: March 30, 2005 8:20 PM
Have I ever mentioned that Mickey Rourke is severely underated as an actor? In my opinion he showed signs of sweetness way the fuck back in the day. You know he quit acting to be a boxer during his hietus?
From: Swerb Entered on: March 30, 2005 8:41 PM
Yeah, Mickey Rourke is a bad mofo. I'm kind of a fan of his, ever since I saw Barfly, which is an amazingly underrated movie - he's fucking terrific in it. He has serious talent, but from what I understand, he's a bit flaky.
From: Ross Entered on: March 31, 2005 10:35 AM
Swerb, to answer your question a while back, I mostly agree, but not entirely with the essential Frank Miller list. My list would look more like this:  
Dark Knight Returns  
Batman: Year One  
Daredevil Born Again  
Comics Journal Interviews (awesome)  
Daredevil Visionaries - all volumes, of course  
Elektra Lives Again  
Sin City - The Hard Goodbye  
Sin City - A Dame To Kill For  
Sin City - That Yellow Bastard  

From: Swerb Entered on: March 31, 2005 11:40 PM
You'd put 300 over Dark Knight? Or is this list not ranked in the order of your favorites?
From: Ross Entered on: April 1, 2005 9:24 AM
Not ranked. Too hard to compare some of the books, though I'll say that Year One and Born Again still reign as my favorites, with the original Sin City story following closely behind. Some of the old classic Daredevils encompassing the Elektra saga would be next.  
I'm seeing Sin City in 7 hours! Await with bated breath my full review.
From: Ross Entered on: April 13, 2005 10:36 PM
Want to see someone who has absolutely ZERO clue talk about Sin City? Try the World Socialist Web Site! I got a good chuckle at how badly this guy is fucked in the head.

From: Ross Entered on: April 18, 2005 4:31 PM
Well, this article takes the cake for the worst understanding of anything related to Sin City:
Wow, apparently the Jews wrote Sin City and it really only exists to further the Jewish agenda. Possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.  
Aside from all the anti-Semitism, there's this ridiculous line:  
"The two heroic characters (and they were not wearing any Christian crosses) were portrayed by Mickey Rourke and Bruce Willis. It?s Willis? character who finally manages to kill the evil Catholic priest. It was designed to be a stirring moment."  
Wrong and wrong! Mickey Rourke's character DOES wear a cross, at all times, and it is HIS character, NOT Willis's that kills the evil Catholic priest. They can't even get the simple facts right, how can anyone expect them to have a valid point of view about the Jews running Hollywood?
From: Ross Entered on: May 10, 2005 9:15 AM
I posted an article by this same guy a while back that was long (like this one). But he's such a good writer and makes so many great points about comics and movies, and of course Sin City, that I can't help but recommend it if you've got time to kill:
From: Ross Entered on: May 10, 2005 4:54 PM
August 16th is my new Christmas!
From: Swerb Entered on: May 10, 2005 11:42 PM
Sweet! Did I hear something about That Yellow Bastard having some deleted scenes that Rodriguez was going to put back in the movie for the DVD release? That would be kickass.
From: Ross Entered on: May 11, 2005 6:12 AM
I think all of the stories have deleted scenes that will be on the DVD. Keep your fingers crossed.
From: Ross Entered on: May 11, 2005 10:10 AM

From: Swerb Entered on: May 11, 2005 1:52 PM
That is fucking goddamn jesus-rapingly sweet!!!! Plus, did you see the link below the story about his plans for TWO sequels? This is the exact opposite of craptacular.
From: Ross Entered on: May 11, 2005 2:26 PM
Oh yeah, didn't I mention that? :) All the books will apparently make it into movies... though I'm not sure how I feel about that. I love A Dame to Kill For, but some of the latter stories started to get old fast.
From: Swerb Entered on: May 11, 2005 10:32 PM
I agree... I liked Family Values, but by Hell and Back, Frank was repeating himself, methinks. But I'll see any Sin City movie Rodriguez helms (actually, any movie he does, period), because he's a badass.
From: Ross Entered on: May 18, 2005 9:10 PM
Sin City 2 is in the works!

From: Jackzilla Entered on: May 18, 2005 11:15 PM
X-Men 3 is also in the works. And Kelsey Grammer is Beast. I kid you not:

From: Swerb Entered on: May 19, 2005 2:34 AM
Yeah, I saw the Kelsey Grammer/Beast thing today, too. Kinda bizarre, but also kinda inspired casting. I'm a little worried about the director - Matthew Vaughn isn't exactly a name yet, although his current movie, Layer Cake, is supposed to be really good. Call me cautiously optimistic.  
Sweet news about Sin City 2, but the only really good story that's left is A Dame to Kill For and a few shorts.
From: Ross Entered on: May 19, 2005 10:40 AM
I agree about Sin City, Swerb - but what's interesting is all the news reports saying Frank is "hard at work" writing the script. This is not what happened with the first movie - Rodriguez wrote the script, and it was taken verbatim from the books. What's Frank got to do, really, that will longer than a week or so? I'm confused, yet intrigued...
From: Ross Entered on: May 23, 2005 3:12 PM
Woohoo! My suspicions about A Dame to Kill For have been confirmed!
From: Ross Entered on: May 27, 2005 9:31 AM
Sin City 2 will be out Summer 2006!

From: Swerb Entered on: June 8, 2005 3:15 PM
I dunno how I feel about this:,6115,1069174_10_0_,00

From: Ross Entered on: June 15, 2005 11:22 AM
Son of a bitch! Frank Miller is coming to Chicago during my fucking honeymoon!

From: BigFatty Entered on: June 16, 2005 12:34 AM
Yep, Jack might go. Maybe we will stay at your crib and throw a party for Mr. Miller. Don't worry, we will take photos to put into your fancy new picture frame.
From: Ross Entered on: June 16, 2005 8:50 AM
ASS! While you're there, mention to him how you are staying at a guy's house who has a friggin ROOM dedicated to him!
From: Swerb Entered on: June 17, 2005 9:42 PM
Jack, Fatty, if you decide to go, keep me in mind, I may be interested in tagging along. I have a friend who works for Dark Horse who will probably be there... and who knows, he may have an in for a sweet party with Frank.  
Sorry, Bert.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: June 17, 2005 11:45 PM
I bet we'll be waxing poetic about religion, evolution and sweet movie fight scenes with Frank too.  
Sorry again, Bert.  
Actually, though I fancy myself a show goer, I don't enjoy closing shop on a Saturday. But we'll see what happens and will keep you informed, Swerb.
From: Swerb Entered on: July 19, 2005 11:06 PM
So, I had a chance to (very briefly) interview Michael Clarke Duncan yesterday by phone. Of course, I asked him about Sin City, and he rather humorously described his skepticism for the final product while filming all that green-screen/post-production stuff:  
"I was looking up at Clive Owen, standing up on a ladder. Rodriguez was saying, ?You?re in a dark alley, and it?s raining.? I was like, ?I don?t see any rain.? ?That?ll be put in later.? ?Whatever you say, boss, it?s your movie. Just make sure the check is in the mail.'"  
He was pretty sweet to talk to, and he has quite a sense of humor. He was telling me about his size: He's 6'5", and weighs 270 lbs. Not a big deal, except that he weighed 360 when he filmed The Green Mile! He told me he's often been turned down for roles for being too big, or, ironically, they didn't cast him in The Longest Yard because he wasn't big enough, and he understandably doesn't want to gain any more weight.  
Just thought I'd share some interesting stuff.
From: Ross Entered on: July 22, 2005 8:54 AM
Well, he'll be back for A Dame to Kill For, with a much larger role, I'm assuming. I wonder who will play Ava - and if whoever plays her will pull an Alba and not disrobe when the story clearly calls for the bulk of her screentime to be sans apparel!
From: Ross Entered on: September 10, 2005 12:56 PM
First news on the expanded Sin City DVD! Out Dec 13!
From: Swerb Entered on: September 11, 2005 9:47 PM
That kicks ass. Aren't you glad you didn't buy the shite version now? While they're at it, they should get Tarantino off his ass so he can put out the definitive Kill Bill DVD...
From: Ross Entered on: September 12, 2005 11:33 AM
Agreed. I'm still waiting on that. Better be good.
From: The Bone Entered on: August 1, 2006 4:40 PM
So we talked about 300 a while ago and I came across this .  I can't wait to see this movie. Also, click the video of the actors training for the movie. That's the kind of training I'm all about.
From: The Bone Entered on: February 14, 2007 6:03 PM
This is how I'm going to roll on March 9th.

From: Swerb Entered on: February 14, 2007 10:19 PM

Fark yes - not to mention it has the best trailer I've seen in years... even better, the movie's also opening on IMAX, so we can see it extra-large! I'm all over that like marmoset stink on Alba!

By the way, the trailer for the Robert Rodriguez/Tarantino exploitation double feature "Grindhouse" is pretty fucking sweet, too. 

From: Ross Entered on: February 15, 2007 7:48 AM

Wow, that's review really gets me excited to see it.  Of course, that's a fanboy-type site (albeit a good one, not Fat Harry style) so I would expect them to love it.  

Have you guys read the original Frank Miller book? 

From: Ross Entered on: February 15, 2007 8:40 AM
Grindhouse looks over the top ridiculous, but it might be fun.  Man, Tarantino is fully enthralled with old school styles of filmmaking from his youth, isn't he?  Not interested in trying anything new - the very opposite of 300, really.
From: BigFatty Entered on: February 15, 2007 3:33 PM

I think I've heard of this 'Grindhouse'.  Is the girl with the gun-leg called Stubbs?


300 looks sweet and I cannot wait.  Never read the book, not much of a fan.... just what I've seen and the story behind the movie.  Another movie done right!!!  (I hope....) 

From: Ross Entered on: February 15, 2007 4:34 PM
Speaking of Frank Miller, they're doing a profile of him on G4TV on March 4, on some program called "Icons".  THey have a trailer for it here.
From: Swerb Entered on: February 15, 2007 11:21 PM

I love the "300" book. I read the comics ages ago, but revisited it when I got the "graphic novel" for Christmas, and came to the conclusion it's easily one of Miller's best works. "Dark Knight," then "Sin City" (I just lump all seven books together here), his "Daredevil" stuff and "300" are untouchable, if you ask me.

By the way, I saw "Ghost Rider" tonight... and laughed my ass off. It's so intentionally cheesy, I couldn't help myself. The trailer does no justice to the humorous elements of the film. Not that I'd necessarily recommend y'all go out and see it right away, but it wasn't the crapfest I was expecting. I'll post a link to my official review later, after it's published, if anyone cares...

From: Swerb Entered on: February 16, 2007 5:04 PM
My "Ghost Rider" review ... file under Guilty Pleasure...

From: Ross Entered on: February 16, 2007 5:51 PM
Cool.  Sounds like I'll wait for video on this one...

From: Jackzilla Entered on: February 16, 2007 10:58 PM
I saw Ghost Rider tonight with "the boys" and had a good time.  It's goofy fun.  I must say that Mendez's powers are at least on par with Ghost Rider's:  Her cleavage is Oscar-worthy.
From: Crockett Entered on: February 20, 2007 10:40 PM
OMG - thanks, Jack. That has got to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. My brother and I went and even if it was going for goofiness, it was horribly campy and clueless. Eva Mendes's performance, though gravity defying, was so wooden -- you would think that she was acting in her first junior high performance. The best supporting role in the movie is her push up bra. She is super fine to look at but by the end of the movie, I was wishing that she would just shut the fuck up or die. 'Oh, Johnny, must we always be apart.' I would rank it lower than even the Hulk movie - of course, Sam Elliot was in that, too. So I am starting an official boycott of any comic-based movie that he is in. All I can say is thank God Nic Cage never got his dream gig of playing Superman. He'll have to be content with his son named Kal-El and his Ghost Rider tattoo.
From: The Bone Entered on: February 21, 2007 12:34 AM
Did he really name his son Kal-El? For fucks sake!
From: Jackzilla Entered on: February 21, 2007 7:43 AM

Don't blame ME, Crockett!  I never said the movie was GOOD!  Now Swerb -- he's a professional -- and I believe gave it 3 stars.  He should know better!  Wink

I guess I went in expecting a total turdfest but ended up having a good time.  Low expectations rule.

From: Ross Entered on: February 21, 2007 9:28 AM
Speaking of semi-crappy movies, I watched Tenacious D: The Pick of Destiny this weekend.  Swerb was pretty much on target with this one (contrasted with his possibly more than charitable Ghost Rider review) - this movie wasn't that funny.  Though, Swerb, you seemed more enthusiastic about Nacho Libre, which I thought was quite a bit less funny.  I dunno.  Anyway, the one part that did make me laugh out loud in Tenacious D was when Tim Robbins was explaining how he tried to get the Pick from the museum but a big security door clamped down and took his "sweet ass leg".  For some reason, the idea that you'd reminisce on how sweet your old leg was cracked me up.
From: Crockett Entered on: February 21, 2007 11:14 AM
Ross said:
Speaking of semi-crappy movies, I watched Tenacious D: The Pick of Destiny this weekend.  Swerb was pretty much on target with this one (contrasted with his possibly more than charitable Ghost Rider review) - this movie wasn't that funny.  Though, Swerb, you seemed more enthusiastic about Nacho Libre, which I thought was quite a bit less funny.  I dunno.  Anyway, the one part that did make me laugh out loud in Tenacious D was when Tim Robbins was explaining how he tried to get the Pick from the museum but a big security door clamped down and took his "sweet ass leg".  For some reason, the idea that you'd reminisce on how sweet your old leg was cracked me up.
Semi-crappy? That would be generous tag for the Ghastly Rider.

From: Swerb Entered on: February 21, 2007 7:40 PM

What can I say? Is anything more subjective than humor? 

As for my "Ghost Rider" review, I quote myself: "encouraging such nonsense goes against my better judgment." I laughed at it because it was stupid, and because it kind of sucked.

From: Swerb Entered on: March 4, 2007 12:25 PM
I am sweet: I'm seeing "300" on IMAX Tuesday night. A full report is pending...

From: Ross Entered on: March 4, 2007 1:31 PM
From: BigFatty Entered on: March 4, 2007 3:16 PM
From: The Bone Entered on: March 4, 2007 4:03 PM

It might just blow your freaking mind to see it on IMAX. I'm excited as all get out. Can't wait to hear your report.

As much as I poo poo it, Rotteh Tomatoes has it at 100% right now. Of course not everyone has revued it yet. 

From: Swerb Entered on: March 6, 2007 9:07 PM

Just got back from watching it... I'd say it's just as good as "Sin City." You'd think Frank co-directed this one, too - it's that accurate to the comic. Some shots are exactly the same as the panels Frank drew, and Leonidas, Xerxes and even Ephialtes are perfectly portrayed, visually or otherwise.

As you've probably read, they add in a political sub-plot about the queen's attempts to rally support for Leonidas' army, and it's pretty good, not a detraction at all - actually, a welcome respite from the (plentiful!) slo-mo impalements, dismemberments, decapitations and miscellaneous bloodlettings, which, of course, are extra sweet on IMAX.

Plus, the chick playing Queen Gorgo has the perkiest nipples ever.  Even Stacy pointed that out (pun intended). They must have used ice cubes - there's no other way to explain it. Laughing

The movie peaked the goosebump-o-meter a good 3-4 times, although I'd seen the trailer enough to water down the impact of lines like "Tonight we dine in hell!" and "This is Sparta!" It's very stylish visually, uses a lot of the same colors from the book and the action sequences are excellent, although I do detect a "Lord of the Rings" influence in there on occasion (which isn't really a criticism). 

I hate to hype anybody up too much, but I think y'all are going to love this movie. 

From: The Bone Entered on: March 6, 2007 9:20 PM
Thanks for the review.To say I'm excited is an understatement.
From: Ross Entered on: March 6, 2007 9:24 PM
Thanks, Swerb!  I am also very excited to see it.  Not sure if I'm going Friday or Saturday but I'll definitely have a lengthy review after seeing it, be forewarned.
From: Ross Entered on: March 7, 2007 3:03 PM
Well Bone, it appears that the rave reviews on the Tomatometer is a thing of the past, though it is interesting to note that the reviews are all over the map.  Some people love it (men), some people hate it (women and pretentious gaywads).  Pretty obvious, I guess.
From: The Bone Entered on: March 9, 2007 1:49 AM
Good because I hate pretentious gaywads.

From: Ross Entered on: March 10, 2007 9:09 AM


I needed to bellow, to fit into the spirit of a 300 review.  I'm growing a sweet ass beard now, too.  As for the abs, well...


It was about what I  expected.  It was slavishly faithful to FM's book, which I guess was the whole point.  While I did like the book, as I do nearly everything Miller creates, this was never one of my favorites, and the movie definitely shows me why.  The story is spare (Spartan, if you like) - and the dialogue is rather... plain.  Again, like the book.  This is and isn't Miller's fault - much of the dialogue and voiceover was taken from the history books - the lines "we will fight in the shade", "come and get them", "tonight we dine in hell!", "earth and water - you'll find plenty down there", and many others, from what I've read.  But so were the dull lines about marching, being hard and strong, etc. and it eventually gets to be like "yeah, I heard you the first time."  

So I actually agree with many of both the positive and the negative reviews.  The snooty, high-falutin' reviewers who were looking for great dialogue and emotional resonance didn't find it here, and  I have to say that that kind of thing almost always makes a movie better.  But on the other hand, I agree with the reviewers who say you shouldn't be there looking for that, you should be looking at the amazing visuals and getting into the battle.  And there are definitely quite a few gripping action scenes.

But one thing that did emotionally grab me was the Spartans' attitudes.  They knew they were up against an insurmountable force, and odds were, they'd succumb eventually.  And they relished it.  It's not just that they weren't afraid, as the likes of us would be completely overcome, no doubt, but they were eager to get into it.  The idea that there could be such a creature has never emotionally hit me before - I've seen macho idiots in stories countless times, but this was the first time I ever believed a real person could be immersed in carnage , death ready to strike him at any moment, and be at home.  

But I could have done without Butler's constant yelling.  Even though it was in the commercials from day one,  I never liked the way the movie handled the whole "This is blasphemy! This is madness!"  In the book, and this might sound minor but isn't at all, Leonidas calmly replies "This is Sparta." and kicks him into the well.  In the movie, he screams it at him.  I didn't like that, because it conveys a completely different message about Leonidas' character.  In the book he is stolid, and this is a calculated move, and the execution is merely follow-through.  This act of violence doesn't disturb him in the least, it's as obvious as his next breath.  This take on him also jibes better with the scene in the movie (and book) where the Spartans rejoice at seeing Persia's ships wracked by storms, and only Leonidas stays cool during it all.  

All that said, the movie is really fun to watch.  I was completely hooked during the battle scenes.  They really make you believe that the Spartans were "the greatest soldiers the world has ever seen."  

Also one thing that it seemed like some of my fellow theater-goers didn't understand was that this was not meant to be a historically accurate story.  Though it's based on a battle and a couple characters from 2500 years ago, that's about as far as it goes.  There are numerous, important, historical inaccuracies, as well as obvious exaggerations, such as Xerces being a giant or Ephialtes being a deformed monster.  I thought this was obvious due to the fact that it was being told as a legend by Dilios to the troops.  But some dipshit kid came out going "they shouldn't have marketed this as such a serious movie."  I started laughing my ass off - where did he ever get that idea?  It's based on a comic book!

Anyway, I give it the thumbs, as I am duty-bound to do.  It definitely needs to be seen on the big screen, too.

From: Jackzilla Entered on: March 10, 2007 2:48 PM

We all give it the full thumbs!  I gotta think this will be right up Johnnybells' alley too.  He was on kid duty and couldn't watch it with me and the boys.

Bert - You didn't mention the new Spidey 3 trailer.  Did you get that at your showing?  It showed a lot of the black costume and even a quick take of Venom at the end.  Un-frackin'-believably sweet looking! 

From: Ross Entered on: March 10, 2007 3:40 PM
No, I didn't get any new Spider-Man trailer, though I heard there was one.  I've seen the movie twice now, and no Spidey! Frown
From: Ross Entered on: March 10, 2007 8:59 PM
One other thing about 300 that kind of bugged me: The Spartans kept throwing out lots of big words:  Honor, Duty, Freedom, Justice, Glory.  What did these terms mean to the Spartans?  Who the fuck knows?  It felt like listening to Bush talk about freedom - it just felt hollow.  They felt completely empty.  It really did make the movie seem sillier than it should have.  They didn't need to talk about why they had to fight: it's obvious.  They should have shut up and not tried to explain it to drum up some false sense of righteousness.
From: Swerb Entered on: March 10, 2007 11:41 PM

I just liked the brazen tone of the whole thing - this is a movie about badass motherfuckers doing badass motherfuckin' shit, and it never pulled any punches. It's kind of over-the-top, and I found myself laughing at the serious-to-the-point-of-comic elements of the movie. "Only the hard. Only the strong" - stuff like that is silly, but delivered with such macho confidence, I found it highly entertaining.

And I disagree with you, Bert, about the hollowness of their fighting for abstract concepts - I interpret it as, Leonidas knows he's fighting to inspire the rest of Greece to defend itself from the advancing hordes of an ideologically opposite army - one comprised of slaves, and ruled by a greedy imperialist. Maybe it's 20/20 hindsight to think that he knew the actions of his "300" would be a tale for the ages, but it's cool to believe that he was utterly confident in his actions, and that he knew exactly what he was doing (for glory and justice, perhaps). Some historians consider the Battle of Thermopylae to be of major significance to the development of western culture... and I like the "storyteller" element of the book/movie, in that through a couple thousand years' of oral history, what could have been a run-of-the-mill battle story has been bloated into something grandiose (like it was the telephone game or something).

The biggest reason I liked the movie so much? Besides really liking the no-bullshit style of the book (sounds as if I like it more than you do, Bert), it totally brings Miller's exaggerated visual style to life. If anybody cares, my "official" review is here

From: The Bone Entered on: March 11, 2007 3:02 AM

Swerb, you just gave me a great idea for my business card:

Tony Myers 

Badass motherfucker, doing badass motherfucking shit! 

From: BigFatty Entered on: March 11, 2007 4:31 AM
HAHAHA  I laughed out loud for like 5 minutes!  That is a much better line than 'Mushroom cloud laying motherfucker'.  I remember you and I in a mall somewhere (maybe it was in Florida) and you made some business cards.  Wasn't it International Adventurer then??  You made like 4 for a dollar.  This new identity is much, much better.
From: Ross Entered on: March 11, 2007 9:43 AM
Swerb said:

And I disagree with you, Bert, about the hollowness of their fighting for abstract concepts - I interpret it as, Leonidas knows he's fighting to inspire the rest of Greece to defend itself from the advancing hordes of an ideologically opposite army - one comprised of slaves, and ruled by a greedy imperialist.

I will give you a little ground on the "freedom" part as they knew they'd be slaves and said as much.  But of course the thing that is weak about that is that freedom means much more than not being a slave.  When Bush talks about freedom, he doesn't mean freedom from slavery.  I'm not sure he knows what he means, but there are many different ways to be free, and the movie only ham-handedly dealt with the obvious.  But as I said before, if you were looking for nuance, you're probably looking in the wrong place, so I can grudgingly grant you this.

It's not that fighting for abstract concepts is hollow - not at all - it's just that it's not enough to repeat the words.  They're concepts, meaning they have complexity to them.  What does honor mean?  Why do we fight for honor?  It's not enough to say the word over and over.  To say that it's obvious, even to the Greeks, is simply a lie.  If Gorgo had to go convince people, she needed to do better than that (and at the same time it would have helped the audience as well).

And it wasn't just Leonidas talking about those things - it was Dilios, the narrator, and most painfully, Gorgo, the queen, in the senate chamber.  That's where I really noticed it and winced.

And don't get me wrong:  The importance of the Greco-Persian war can hardly be overstated.  If the Persians had taken Greece, western civilization would be vastly different.  The idea that the movie characters would ask us to remember them is quite powerful, as we all should, and thank them for their sacrifice.  But it doesn't make me like  the clumsy language in the movie any better.

I totally agree about the movie bringing Frank's style to life.  It was definitely the coolest thing about the movie.   Those square-headed ninja dudes have been in practically everything he's ever written and I've always loved the look of them.  It was cool to see them onscreen.

From: The Bone Entered on: March 13, 2007 11:21 PM

I finally saw 300 last night. It was definitely the most visually stunning movie I've seen and the cinametography was amazing. Having never read the comic, I think I would probably like it. There are departures from the historically version for sure but I don't really mind. 

I hate to have to agree with Bert but I found some of the dialogue concerning honor and freedom a bit lackluster. A point of contention however, I fucking loved Leonidas' constant yelling. I thought it was appropriate.


I also like the relationship between Leonidas and Gorgo. She seemed to be every bit his equal alhtough in a different societal role. I thought it was cool how he looked to her for approval when he kicked Xerxes' messenger into the abyss.


One thing I'll also add is these guys where in some godamn motherfucking shape. Time to back to the gym. Here's how they trained.


Oh and one more thing, my 300 experince would have been better if I was in the theater with this guy. 

From: Ross Entered on: March 14, 2007 7:03 AM
Hhahahahah, that story is fucking hilarious, even if it's unlikely to be true...
From: Ross Entered on: March 15, 2007 11:50 AM
Sorry Swerb, but this is the best 300 review yet.
From: BigFatty Entered on: March 15, 2007 12:33 PM

I'm not sure it GR is ready for an erecto-meter.  Still, I am disapointed that Swerb didn't give us this type of review on JA.  I have to wait until next week when it comes out here.  You know how I know you're gay??? Cuz you could not keep a bucket of popcorn on your lap during 300.  If there is any movement with the mouse, I'll give full feedback.

Actually, I am kinda looking forward to seeing all these hardbodies after hearing and reading so much about them.  Does this make me gay??


Oh.... I thought so.... 

From: Ross Entered on: March 16, 2007 10:07 AM
If anyone is interested, the History Channel had a good 2 hour documentary on the battle of Thermopylae that I thought was great.  I downloaded the torrent from here.
From: BigFatty Entered on: March 16, 2007 3:22 PM

I was in the gym today and my mind drifted off to the '300' Test.  I saw it in Bone's post and was impressed by it.  But the realities of it struck me in the gym.  These 17 or so people that did this are some sweet-ass motherfuckers.  If anyone deserves the business card - Badass Motherfucker doing Badass motherfunking shit! are these dudes.  Here is the '300':

25x Pull-up +
50x Deadlift @ 135# +
50x Push-up +
50x Box Jump @ 24” box +
50x Floor Wiper @ 135# (one-count) +
50x KB Clean and Press @ 36# (KB must touch floor between reps) +
25x Pull-up
300 reps total

Yes, that is consecutive reps gentlemen.  I saw one guy's time at 18:11 or so. 

The pull ups at the begining and end, plus the 50 reps with 135 deadlift are what are killing me!  Being able to to 10 pull-ups in my book is pretty damn good.  Doing a final 25 after an asswhooping routine is unimaginable.  I consider Deadlifts a 'Man-maker' of an exercise.  Doing 50x/135# makes you a god!  I still am trying to find out how to do a floor wiper with 135#.  What I've found is it is an ab exercise....

Bone - I know you were thinking about doing this.... Just because I know you.... Are you gonna give it a shot?  I will make you a set of business cards if you do! 

From: Ross Entered on: March 16, 2007 3:47 PM
I agree, I can't even fathom that there are humans in that sweet shape. 

From: Ross Entered on: March 18, 2007 3:39 PM
This is a pretty good opinion piece in the NY Times (may require registration) by Neal Stephenson, a geek-favorite sci-fi author.  I'm not that big a fan of his stuff, actually, but this is a pretty good take on why 300 is doing well in spite of poor reviews.  Much better understanding than the cover-story Entertainment Weekly gave on the same topic this week.  Just goes to show that Hollywood doesn't know shit about itself.
From: Crockett Entered on: March 18, 2007 9:45 PM

It's a freaking movie based on a graphic novel.

It's amazing that different groups of people can draw so many different inferences from the same thing. Kind of reminds me of the Bible and its different interpretations. People see in it what they want to and in such a way that it supports their agenda. They then turn around and assume that everyone else has an agenda, too.

Maybe it is just a comic book style story about some men, bound by honor and their devotion to their country, protecting their homes and way of life by hacking to pieces those who threaten it.


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