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From: Radmobile Entered on: July 14, 2008 2:42 PM
Well here's mine if it works.   ...nope, apparently I'm retarded.  I'll just say from the center I'm 3 to the left and 1.5 down.
From: RobotSpider Entered on: July 14, 2008 2:40 PM
You sunk my Battleship!
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 14, 2008 2:40 PM
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 14, 2008 2:41 PM
RobotSpider said: You sunk my Battleship! HA HA HA!  That was really the whole point of this excercise, wasn't it?
From: Ross Entered on: July 14, 2008 2:49 PM
Pretty funny that it considers me exactly center.  If it wasn't for those religion questions, it would probably consider me Rush Limbaugh Jr. Also, it's annoying that there was no "neutral" choice on a lot of those questions.
From: Ross Entered on: July 14, 2008 2:48 PM
I deleted your duplicate, Spider.  Zilla nearly fornicated my process (as he intended) but I prevailed in the end. :)
From: RobotSpider Entered on: July 14, 2008 3:02 PM
Jackzilla said: HA HA HA!  That was really the whole point of this excercise, wasn't it? I'd like to say yes, but I didn't think of it until Rad listed his in Lat./Long. :)
From: NickNick Entered on: July 14, 2008 3:35 PM
Here's mine.
From: BigFatty Entered on: July 14, 2008 3:53 PM
Save, Ross, all of you are more Crazy, Left-wingers than Fatty!  I am Left 3, Down 4.  Very close to Jack. Some of those questions were very leading, or poor.  It is much easier to criticize a study than write one :) For example, I considered this question loaded: "a genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies." Genuine implies one thing, but then they used the very strong word 'predator' to describe multinationals.  There were quite a few of these loaded questions.  Certainly you would use loaded questions to gauge the level of agreement with the statement.  But many like the one above did not accomplish this. Ross, where did you see yourself??  I was surprised to see you in the middle.  You seem more of a Lefty.
From: Ross Entered on: July 14, 2008 4:06 PM
Yeah, well, I objected to a lot of the questions too, and thought they were written from a pretty overtly liberal standpoint.  From a business/economic perspective, I tend to be more conservative, I guess, so that's where they're getting that.  I also tended to not use "Strongly" on many of my answers.  But I did find questions trying to get me to say one way or the other than a free market is the solution to society's ills to be a bit of a non-sequitor, so I can see how the results might not look right to those who know me. So basically, I chalk it up to being a pretty crappy survey. :)
From: Bunky Entered on: July 14, 2008 6:10 PM
Agreed. Here's mine:
From: Ross Entered on: July 14, 2008 7:08 PM
Hahaha, you know it's bullshit when Bunky ends up a lefty and I don't!
From: Bunky Entered on: July 14, 2008 8:13 PM
That's what I'm sayin'! Ofcourse, the last time you guys had me do a poll on here, Steven Colbert was my ideal candidate for president by 100%! However, I am moving more towards a moderate after this current administration has help change some of my viewpoints with it's irrational form of politics. And to blow your mind Ross, I won't be voting for McCain at this point!
From: RobotSpider Entered on: July 15, 2008 6:35 AM
Ross said: Also, it's annoying that there was no "neutral" choice on a lot of those questions.   I'm not defending it, but the reason there aren't any neutral choices is because politically, a great majority of people like to be perceived as neutral or non-partisan.  Allowing a neutral choice effectively cuts off the business-end of your poll... so to speak... Pollsters hate the no-choice option, because you get the same data from a blank poll. There you go.  That represents the fruits of my $60,000 B.A. in Communications.  Enjoy.
From: NickNick Entered on: July 15, 2008 9:38 AM
You mean the polls not accurate?  Damn.  I already filled out invitations for Ross and Bunky to my next Socialism or Die party.
From: RobotSpider Entered on: July 16, 2008 6:24 AM
NickNick said: You mean the polls not accurate?  Damn.  I already filled out invitations for Ross and Bunky to my next Socialism or Die party. I'm not saying it is accurate, but I'm saying the poll is more accurate than if it had a 'no preference' option.
From: Ross Entered on: July 16, 2008 7:25 AM
RobotSpider said: NickNick said: You mean the polls not accurate?  Damn.  I already filled out invitations for Ross and Bunky to my next Socialism or Die party. I'm not saying it is accurate, but I'm saying the poll is more accurate than if it had a 'no preference' option. Maybe in general, but not in my case.  I would have used it appropriately. :)
From: Bunky Entered on: July 16, 2008 11:16 AM
I am still confused how I ended up on the left...
From: BigFatty Entered on: July 16, 2008 1:08 PM
RobotSpider said: There you go. That represents the fruits of my $60,000 B.A. in Communications. Enjoy. Ha!  You got screwed!  I only paid like $20,000 for my crappy Communications degree.  Oh, mines a Bachelor of SCIENCE.  Thats right, full of fancy numbers, theories, and important stuff - not finger painting signs like you must have done. Ross pointed out a comedian's joke that pretty much sums up our degree.  It has stuck with me for years.  "Having a Communications degree is like having a Pink Belt in karate." But, don't feel bad, I spent a lot more money (and time!) trying to correct my failed choice of degrees. Don't get me started on surveys.... I was once in Marketing Research.  It was actually a very sweet job!  Of course it was working for my dream company, Meijer... but on top of that, we did lots of cool shite!
From: Bunky Entered on: July 16, 2008 1:22 PM
HA Fatty, you both got screwed! My BA in Communications was only about $5,000 at the time. The CSU system now runs that a year out here in Cali. My concentration was in Journalism and my minor was in Political Science. Ross will have a field day with that bit of trivia. At the time it made sense, since a wanted to be a journalist. After all my rotations, I found out I hated the negativity of journalism and politics.
From: Ross Entered on: July 16, 2008 1:34 PM
What I hate about journalism is that the very idea of it is absurd, especially broadcast journalism, in that the idea is to report on things that by definition happen rarely, and therefore skew the public's perception about what is a legitimate concern.  This article from Skeptic.com actually articulates my complaints pretty well.
From: BigFatty Entered on: July 16, 2008 2:08 PM
Ahem... I think Robo and I are talking about REAL universities......  Who has not heard about Grand Valley State University????  Anyone.... Anyone......  Robo... my guess, based on your degree and cost is your college was Aquinas or Calvin....  but, you are far too non-religious to attend those schools.... what gives????
From: Bunky Entered on: July 16, 2008 3:12 PM
True Fatty, the California State Universities are no Grand Valley.... I mean, who would want to go to CSU San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose, Monterey, etc. when you could go to Grand Valley. I actually choose the State System because I wasn't sure what I was going to do, and could see having my parents spend the money on a UC. Ross, I hated broadcast journalism. I wrote for the school paper for 4 years and enjoyed the sports and artsy stuff. I did not enjoy the radio side either. I struggled with the ethics of journalism and did not like the confrontational style of reporting used when people were in crisis or suffering. I found it to be a huge moral conflict with my personality. I did have a close friend that got into sports reporting and got some sweet seats at baseball, football, and basketball games.  He works for the A's now. He was a huge Giants fan and I was raised with season tickets at Dodger Stadium, so it was alot of fun. I got to see O'Mally's office, the 81 and 88 World Series trophies, and all the Rookie of the Year jerseys hanging in the corporate conference room. I also got to sit courtside at a Lakers -  Bulls game and see Jordan, Pippin, and Rodman close up. Dennis is one ugly man! I feared for my life at the Raiders-Bronco game at the Coliseum in downtown LA. It is my guess that when you get out on parole, it includes two tickets to a Raiders game. With all the fighting in the stands, it was hard to watch the game! Raiders fans are crazy mo-fo's.
From: Swerb Entered on: July 16, 2008 10:13 PM
BigFatty said: Ahem... I think Robo and I are talking about REAL universities...... Who has not heard about Grand Valley State University???? Anyone.... Anyone...... Robo... my guess, based on your degree and cost is your college was Aquinas or Calvin.... but, you are far too non-religious to attend those schools.... what gives???? Hey Fats - I went to Aquinas with Spider, and while Catholocism is an unfortunate reality there (and in any other context, actually, taking into consideration my more (cough) mature, enlightened perspective), we were never asked to participate in anything overtly religious. Aside from having to try not to get caught with a person of the opposite sex in your room after 1 a.m. (if I recall correctly), which is an unfortunate reality of the general Christian belief that Fucking is Bad and Must Be Repressed... I wasn't a card-carrying atheist at the time, but was skeptical, and very, very rarely the uncomfortable subject of anything religious. I appreciate my education there very much, and Catholocism never undermined it in any way. It's a misconception that Aquinas is a "religious" school, in my opinion... the only thing I dislike about it is how the forward-thinking staff and students occasionally have to kowtow to the conservative viewpoints of the board (hence why the lame curfew rule wouldn't go away). Calvin, on the other hand, recenlty dismissed a professor for not adhering to the Christian Reformed faith. If Aquinas is Earth, Calvin is the moon, and Cornerstone University is Zarquon-9...
From: Swerb Entered on: July 16, 2008 10:24 PM
Oh, and here's my crazy grid:   Looks like a lot of other people's on this site...
From: Swerb Entered on: July 16, 2008 10:53 PM
I'm on the Henry Rollins e-mail list, and I this just struck me as really funny: "Not another tour? Absolutely. I had to get one more lap in before the big guy goes out to pasture at the Crawford Ranch. Even though the ex-president will no doubt bail on his fake prop no-hope cowpoke habitat as soon as he gets the chance, I am sure he will at least stop in to pick up his crayons and watch the servants sift the puke out of the pool and roll up the carpets..." Speaking of Rollins, Bert: He's at the Vic Theatre on Sat., Oct. 25. Maybe we could arrange another Chicago visit?
From: RobotSpider Entered on: July 17, 2008 7:42 AM
BigFatty said: Ahem... I think Robo and I are talking about REAL universities......  Who has not heard about Grand Valley State University????  Anyone.... Anyone......  Robo... my guess, based on your degree and cost is your college was Aquinas or Calvin....  but, you are far too non-religious to attend those schools.... what gives???? Alas, it was Aquinas.  John's perspective was right on.  I think it was a Catholic college at one point (still is, but it was more Catholic before).  Some time before I got there, I think they realized they needed the Non-Believers just to keep the revenue streams up.  Though I was raised Catholic.  Which explains my never-ending guilt and self-loathing.  /sigh But hey, just last month I paid off the last of my student loans!! WOOHOO!  I know when people pay off their mortgage, they have a mortgage burning party.  I'm thinking of having a diploma burning party.  For all the good it's done me, I don't think I'll be needing it any time soon.  I used to laugh at people I went to school with who got Business degrees, because it seemed like everyone was getting a business degree.  It wasn't too long ago that I realized that saying I have a Com. degree is worse than a Business degree, because you can't use it to go out and start a 'communication'.
From: Bunky Entered on: July 17, 2008 10:36 AM
Yeah, Robot I realized it was a problem when most of the Division I basketball team from the school were in my classes. The one's who weren't were majoring in Phys Ed.
From: BigFatty Entered on: July 17, 2008 1:31 PM
I surely am not the only one who was disappointed it the after-college scenario.  Most of my life, the brainwashing was...  "all you need is 'a' college degree and you can do anything!"  No wonder recent college grads expect the world on a platter.  They have been told this all along.  So.. when it came time to pick a degree...  Hmmmm the communications classes don't seem too bad.  Plus, any other degree will take me 5 years instead of four. Very few 4 year degrees seem to prepare kid automatically for decent jobs.  I was always impressed with Ross' choice, but besides Computer Science, there is Nursing, Engineering, and Finance.  Most of the other choices are BS and a waste of time... OK I think you can add teaching.... but you really need to get a Masters to make any real cash.  Specialized degrees are the way to go.  Business IS a crappy degree.  You need to make it Finance or Accounting.  I still did not learn this lesson with my Masters degrees.  They are still very general.  Luckily I am at the point where my Jack of all Trades experience can be sold as a plus... bringing new ways and experience to the traditional standpoint.  Breadth of experience can be as good as depth, but experience is really what is important.
From: Ross Entered on: July 18, 2008 8:31 AM
Swerb said: I'm on the Henry Rollins e-mail list, and I this just struck me as really funny: "Not another tour? Absolutely. I had to get one more lap in before the big guy goes out to pasture at the Crawford Ranch. Even though the ex-president will no doubt bail on his fake prop no-hope cowpoke habitat as soon as he gets the chance, I am sure he will at least stop in to pick up his crayons and watch the servants sift the puke out of the pool and roll up the carpets..." Speaking of Rollins, Bert: He's at the Vic Theatre on Sat., Oct. 25. Maybe we could arrange another Chicago visit? I didn't see this message originally - Heather told me you mentioned this. Yeah, I'm on his list as well.  I considered getting tickets too - if you want to go, let's do it.
From: RobotSpider Entered on: July 18, 2008 12:27 PM
Swerb said: Calvin, on the other hand, recenlty dismissed a professor for not adhering to the Christian Reformed faith. If Aquinas is Earth, Calvin is the moon, and Cornerstone University is Zarquon-9... ...and University of Phoenix is a coloring book of the solar system.