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NEWS 340 - 194 Comments
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I'm sooo glad Battlestar is back, I'm lovin it!!! I know Jack is up
in it it and I'm sure Bert is too. How about anyone else? Melissa and I
love it and can't wait for the next episode.
BTW, Jack will be
happy to hear that I'm finally all up in Soprano's! I watched the whole
first season and I'm on episode 10 of the second. Good stuff!
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About damn time, Bells! Sopranos is (was?) sweet! This past
season was a little disappointing but it's still one of my faves!
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Hells yeah I'm up in BSG! It's my favorite show, pretty much.
Although I have to say, I'm also really stating to dig that new show "Heroes". It's starting to come together in a sweet way. Anyone else watching it?
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Yep: We're diggin' BSG, Heroes, Smallville and Lost (sorry, Bells, but Lost is still sweet).
We saw Little Miss Sunshine over the weekend and during a good 10 minutes of it I laughed so hard I hurt (for those that have seen it, it's the whole van-won't-stop-beeping segment). The Departed is also really good!
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Yeah, Little Miss Sunshine was pretty good. The part with the van beeping was hilarious.
BSG is fuckin sweet, Heroes is ok, SV has been
just meh since the first episode and fuck Lost. Melissa and I thought
the first episode of Heroes was boring but we've pushed on and it's
gotten better but not sweet in my opinion. I watched the 3rd episode of
SV abd it was just ok, I'm hoping for better soon. Lost is just full on
boring.
I just finished the second season of the
Soprano's and it was full sweet! I gotta admit it, I love it and so
does Melissa. I need the third season now.
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Re: Sopranos -- "Told ya so!"
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I agree with Zilla, those are my four favorite shows right now. Bells is right that Smallville is a bit sub-par lately but I have no choice but to stick with it. But I'm sorry to say, Lost is sweet, Bells is on the ground in front of his rocker with a broken hip again. :)
Heroes started slow - and still has some ridiculous science in it (I'd prefer if superheroes try not to explain shit by invoking evolution, they're way out of their depth), but it's getting sweet. And the ending of the last episode was super sweet. I love the Japanese guy. It's starting to all come together and I'm pretty sure it's going to be one of my favorite shows.
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I agree that Heroes is building steam and I'm sure SV will have
above-par episodes somtime this season (they always do). I too love the
Japanese guy and dare I say the cheerleader as well, not to mention
split personality chick. Lost sucks big time, period! What a bore this
show has become. I think BSG is my favorite right now with Deadwood out
of the picture. I full on love BSG.
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Yes, the cheerleader is a little hottie. She's 17 so it's legal (in Illinois) for me to say so.
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Here is actually a decent story on Heroes in terms of what we can expect. I'm pretty excited to see how this all plays out.
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BTW, I watched the Grace Park video, man she's hot in a super cute way. Gotta love her in BSG.
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TV UPDATE!
Did y'all see the season ender of BSG!? Holy shit that show's sweet! And I got good news (from my daily Diamond e-mail):
The network has increased its order from 13 new episodes for the season
to 22, which will resume production in Vancouver, Canada this summer
with an early 2008 premiere in mind. SCI FI also announced that it has
ordered a special two-hour extended episode that will air in between
seasons three and four and will be released on DVD shortly thereafter.
Also, Rome is done for good as the final episode aired Sunday. What an excellent series that was. I'll miss it!
So, what good TV is left? Sopranos is back in April! Bullshit is back! Lost is still here! Smallville? I'm a couple episodes behind yet. We've also been going through episodes of The Office -- that's some funny shit! I recommend it. I watched a couple one-off episodes and wasn't impressed, but watching through from the beginning is great fun. Next up: 30 Rock.
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Yes, I'm sad to see Rome go... the ending was pretty great, watched it last night.
BSG was kind of dragging during the middle of the season, but got good at the end there. I read about the upgrade to a full season for season 4 as well as the 2 hour movie, and I can't wait.
Lost is pretty much garbage, though for some reason I'm still watching like a fucking dumbass.
The Office is hilarious, as is 30 Rock. Those, Scrubs, and How I Met Your Mother (don't underestimate the Doog!) are the only comedies I watch, as far as I can recall.
Smallville is getting weaker and weaker - the last episode was good, but this whole Lex/Lana storyline is really getting on my nerves. They need to end that show, or at least kill off Lana.
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Let's not forget Heroes. It's back at the end of April and never ceases to be the full sweet brand.
As for Lost...I guess I still like it. I've stopped trying to make any sense of it on my own though. I'll wait for them to spoon feed me whatever twist they think of on the spot. I don't really buy their (the writers) story that that have had everything all planned out since day one.
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The Lost writers are making it up as they go along, I'd bet my ass on it. What I despise about their formula is that they introduce new mysteries without resolving any along the way. It's highly frustrating. They insist that all will be satisfactorily answered at the very end, but I don't believe them for a second, no stories ever work out that way - just look at the Matrix for a good example.
By contrast, Heroes does it right - it keeps the revolving door of mysteries and explanations in constant motion. So Rad's right, Heroes is probably one of the best shows on TV in my opinion.
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I didn't forget Heroes, Rad... it's just not on at the present. Sweet show though!
Lost is definately the biggest cock tease on TV. But I too keep coming back. I know it's kinda lost a bit of its hip factor, but I still like it.
Smallville has gotten a bit tedious for me too, Bert. I think they needed to do a major shake up this year and they didn't. It's just lame that Clark is still hangin' out at the farm at this point. All his powers and he's bailing hay? He needs to be out in the world preparing to be Superman! I think it was a missed opportunity that they didn't have him traveling the world this year (going after the Zoners) and then realizing at season end that he was changed and couldn't return to Smallville.
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Well, tune in to the latest - they get a bit back on track!
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The Shield returns April 3rd. One of 'The Best Shows on TV'.
Is anyone watching 'The Riches'? It's a new show on FX that is getting good ratings. I think it is in its 3rd week or so.
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Never heard of The Riches. What's it about? Anyway, I forgot about the Shield, it's been so long. But yeah, that's a great show, too.
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Ross, have you listened to the podcast for BSG or Lost?
The BSG podcast is great. Ronald D Moore basically does a directors commentary of each episode. During the middle of the season he talked about how some of the episodes didn't turn out the way they wanted and talked about how when he changed some of the plans it f'ed up some of the scripts. I find it almost as intereating as the show and that it ads a cool dimension.
The Lost podcast is alright. About 10-20 min weekly (give or take) from the two exec producers answering questions about the show, etc. I think I buy into the fact that they have an overall plan but that the small stuff gets worked out/changed throughout.
And Lost has revealed a ton of stuff. You are just pissed that every time they answer a question a new question is uncovered. Kind of like debugging compile errors. You may fix one error but it uncovers 10 more. :)
The Shield is one of my favorite shows, can't wait for it to come back.
I don't know much about 'The Riches' beyond what I wrote before. I'd hoped one of you guys knew about it and could let us know. I threw it in as a season pass and I'll probably get around to watching it once the primary season wraps up.
I also watched the Black Donnallys (spelling). It is OK, kind of amusing but way too predictable. May watch it if they keep the season going over the summer, but nothing hugely compelling yet.
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All you bitches left out Entourage!!!!!! When is that hitting the airwaves (or cable lines is more current lingo)? That is a frickin awesome show. I love every episode. Ari....... Need I say more? Shit, did I spell it right?
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Eric said:
Ross, have you listened to the podcast for BSG or Lost?
I've listened to a couple for BSG and they were great, but it's kind of a pain to sync up with the show which seems like the proper way to watch it.
And Lost has revealed a ton of stuff. You are just pissed that every time they answer a question a new question is uncovered. Kind of like debugging compile errors. You may fix one error but it uncovers 10 more. :)
Ninja please. They have not answered one substantial question the whole time, such as: what's up with the polar bear? What is the black smoke thing? Why isn't Lock a crip on the island? They give us tidbits about who the others are and who Dharma is, but again, nothing substantial. It's bullshit, dude. And you lose credibility for supporting Lost whilst shunning Heroes. 'Nuff said!
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BSG Blog: I only listen to it in the car, never with the show. I do listen to it the week after I watch the show, so I can kind of picture what he is talking about, but most of the time he's just talking about general episode stuff.
Lost:
Who gives a rat's ass about the polar bear. Think back to the begining of the show. We've learned a ton about the others, about how (and that they can) they on and off the island. We've learned what they didn't know (about the hatch, and button). We've also learned a lot about all the characters in their back stories.
We certainly have learned the island has legit supernatural stuff, and that the island exists and is connected the 'real world'
We learned what happens when you don't 'press the button'.
You are just bitter cause they didn't tell you everything, which would of course ruin the show.
I may start watching your little superhero show once it is out on DVD or something. Way too far behind to try to catch up now, and I don't watch no crappy lo-def downloads.
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Eric - I'm with you on Lost. The show is sweet. Screw you people that want all the answers now! Go watch an episode of CSI where everything's answered in an hour!
But what's this about "crappy lo-def downloads"? My downloads look better than what my cable TV brings me! Downloads and XBMC rule!
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That's not saying alot, Jack, considering you have Lowell Cable. I get higher def video via my rigged tin can and string.
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How is this for utter madness? I've been living in my house for a month and I haven't got any cable yet. To make things worse, I had a new Samsung 40" hi def 1080dpi LCD delivered.
I'm about out of DVDs. My dilema is: do I pay $750,000/ month for cable, of which I know I'm only going to watch 4 or 5 chanels and a few movies here and there or do I get some sattelite bullshit for slightly less but have my house fornicated with a dish? When does a la carte programming start up?
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There's a difference between always answering everything and never answering anything.
We did learn that the island isn't imaginary, I'll grant you. But that's it! Why have we never revisited this? Wasn't that Desmonds girlfriend who was employing the arctic scientists who noticed the tremor? Can't we go back to that for a bit? Fuck! Instead we get a whole episode of Hurley trying to start a goddamn VW Bus? Are you fucking kidding me?
As for "learned about the characters and their backstories", what a joke. It's called filler. About 5% of that shit is actually interesting or necessary.
Even if they're not answering all the questions, they need to be advancing the plot week-to-week, and they struggle with this. This is where they're losing their viewers, and they've nearly lost me (pun intended).
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Part of the 'problem' is that there are nearly 100 sub plots that are ongoing, with each of the character's 'filler' back stories. Some are obviously not just filler (Desmond), and others have huge potential to drive understanding of the island (Hurley, John). They have also answered a bunch of questions that everyone besides you care about (what freckles did, etc).
I also think there is a good correlation between the BSG story arc and Lost. The middle of most of the BSG seasons are 'slow' and have stand alone eposodes. As you close out a seson things start to really happen in the main arc leading to a finale. The begining of the season finishes the resolution of that jeopardy. The combiniation of these two drive out a lot of 'answers'.
Last season the show ended with us learning a lot about the others and Walt leaving the island. This season started with us continuing to learn about the island and learning that other people have been brought to the island recently (pretty revealing). I would expect this season to follow the same arc and I'd venture to say the last couple of episodes have started building to the finale.
At the end of the day, until you actually stop watching the show, you're just whining.
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Eric said:
At the end of the day, until you actually stop watching the show, you're just whining.
You're goddamn right I am. Granted, I haven't yet taken that final step as a coworker of mine has. But I'm also not bringing it up out of nowhere, either - Jack mentioned Lost. I just said it was shitty, and I stick by that. And I'm gonna keep doing it, too!
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So do I need to start a thread that documents EVER answer that revealed on Lost, just to prove you wrong?
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We'll just be arguing over what really constitutes a revelation. A real revelation, in my mind, would be something akin to "what did the Others want with Walt?" By this standard, nothing has been answered.
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Eric - No sense arguing with Bert. He still watches so we win. 
By the way: Who the fuck is Eric? And can a ninja get an avatar!?
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Other unresolved issues include how/why was Libby in a mental institution with Hurley? They killed her character off almost immediately after that reveal and I can't see them making any mention of it in the future.
Who is this "Him" character Desmond thought John might be at the beginning of Season 2? They've referred to a high ranking other as "Him" but it wouldn't make sense that Desmond would be expecting him.
How do the others leave no footprints and not make any noise like when Jin and Ecko saw them in the woods?
Also, how come the hatch isn't needed anymore? Why didn't they just turn that key to begin with and say F pushing that button? That last one wasn't so much a mystery of the show as me questioning logistics.
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Eric is a friend of mine that I worked with at my first job in Chicago. We both started around the same time. Much like myself, he has an affinity for poking at people and attempting to set them off, except as near as I can tell he is more selective in choosing his targets, and I am a common one. He's Moriarty to my Holmes, Joker to my Batman, Foreman to my Ali.
As for an avatar, I think he thinks taking pictures steals your soul. The closest I've seen is this:
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Oh, I forgot: Murdoc to my Macgyver!
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That is a good avatar for me Ross. No one really wants to see my face anyway.
And really, I think you have your references backwards Dr. Watson. We can on occasion team up after all.
And we did answer why the Others want Jack. As for Walt, I think we've established there is something going on with children and fertility with the Others. They've somewhat tied that together between blondie, the children, and the new doctor chick Jack has the hots for. I'm not so good with names.
Anyway, Jack I agree that we win as long as Ross watches. And if he stops watching, we can taunt him with all the answers that they've solved in his absence.
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Okay, about why the Others want Jack: this is getting just plain stupid. Are you trying to tell me that they crashed the plane, knowing that Back Surgeon Jack was on it? Obviously, no, because we know why the plane crashed, and it was more-or-less a random occurrence that had nothing to do with them. Which, incidentally, seems like it can't be true being that the Others know so much about the passengers (to say nothing about last week's Locke storyline). So there must be something more to it than what they've shown us, but mark my words: when they wrap this show up, I'm going to link to this very post, and show you all that they will not resolve this issue. I guaran-fucking-tee it.
Well, I suppose they can claim that they have some kind of super connections to the outside world, and that they got the flight manifest, and got their better-than-FBI resources to do background checks on everyone, and learn all this shit about them. Phooey, I say! Bunch of fucking nonsense. That also flies in the face of things like Walt and his powers, which they seemed to be indicating were instrumental to why the Others wanted him. But of course that has been completely dropped and forgotten, much like just about every interesting facet of the show (including the hatch, thank you Rad).
I guess I'm annoyed by this storyline because they're stretching it out way too long. The Others used to be scary as hell, if you go back and watch. Now we've been exposed to them so much, they're just kind of like the annoying, ill-tempered neighbors. The show really is turning into Gilligan's Island. No one is really interested in getting the fuck out anymore.
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Good lord!!! I know we tire of crank talk.... but Lost????? I feel like I am caught in the middle of a FOR / NEXT Loop! Thats for you Eric, for your Compiling Error joke. My computer jokes are so old that they are stuck in BASIC.
10 REM Sweetest Progam Ever
20 Print "Nerd"
30 GOTO 20
40 END
Welcome Eric - Dude, my ninja! (I like this ninja thing, now I don't feel like sucha bigot)
For the record, I jumped ship on Lost in the middle of season 2. Its lame and I can't believe Ross is still watching it while he hates it. Dude, get your priority straight. Don't you have a million other things you want to do that you like??
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Eric said:
Anyway, Jack I agree that we win as long as Ross watches. And if he stops watching, we can taunt him with all the answers that they've solved in his absence.
Exactly!
And while it's true the main mystery of the nature of the island hasn't been explained, we keep getting more and more info. For instance, we originally considered The Others to be part of the Dharma & Greg Initiative, but they've shown in the last couple weeks that The Others pre-date that! The crappiest part of Lost is that its on too late (10-11PM!? Shit! What's it competing against? Will & Grace reruns!?).
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Fatty -
40 END
Really? That's redundant and a waste of limited memory!
And don't even talk bad about Lost! You waste your TV viewing time watching Hungarian soaps and "Little Britain"!
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BigFatty said:
Dude, get your priority straight. Don't you have a million other things you want to do that you like??
Like what, crank gawking? I'll keep my own counsel on what to do with my time, thanks. I don't need any subliminal Euro-tendencies bleeding into my life.
But hey, Little Britain is fucking sweet!
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Who's watching Bullshit? I've seen the first two episodes from this season now, and I've got to say I'm a tad underwhelmed. And hey, I'm the last person to find gratuitous nudity offensive (well, maybe except for the black chick with the droopy lopsided boobs), but what, exactly was the point of the topless chicks in these episodes? I couldn't see how they added to the point of the show in any way. To the contrary, in the latest episode, they had them wearing Walmart t-shirts and taking them off. I couldn't tell you what the shirts were about because I was just waiting for the tits! It actually detracted from their point. It seems to me like someone decided that maybe Bullshit's ratings were starting to flag and proclaimed from on high "more tits."
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Last night's episode of Lost was sweet! Fuck you guys! What!? I can't like Lost? Fuck it!
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"Fuck it, I'm gonna like Lost anyway. I don't even care!"
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Fuck it. What? Liking Lost is sacrilige now? I don't care.
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Well, on second thought, maybe it is a sacrilige. I just got done watching the last episode, and I think you non-haters are suckas. The only redeeming thing about the episode was the scenes from next week, where Sayeed, the only motherfucker on that island with a brain, starts interrogating Juliette.
Even if I grant you guys that their scheme of never answering a real, substantial question is somehow for the better (even though it's not), I never cease to be annoyed by the fact that the people on the show don't behave like real people do. Does Jack somehow forget that when he was first captured by the Others, Juliette would stare at him like he was from outer space when he - quite reasonably - demanded to know what he was doing there, or who they were? To this day, why is no one demanding answers of this nature? The Others do know shit! They don't know everything, obviously, as Juliette seems to not know what the black smoke is all about, but she did admit to knowing something about it. And yet, dipshit Kate doesn't think it's important or even slightly interesting to ask what the fuck she knows. No one seems to fucking care! Same thing with Mr. Eyepatch! No one tried to get real, fundamental answers out of them that they most assuredly had. Namely: what the fucker are the Others doing on the island, and what is Dharma.
You can try to explain all this away by claiming that if they asked these questions and they got answers it would ruin the whole idea of keeping the mystery alive. Fine, sure, that's right. But what you end up with is characters who don't act like actual people, and that is is super sloppy writing, my friends. Fooey!
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"Fuck it! It's sucky writing? What!? I can't like it?! Fuck it! Fuck that guy Ross! Go watch Ugly Betty!"
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Hahahaha! What? You like Lost? Fuck it! I'm not even going to like it! I don't even care!
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On the other hand, the season premiere of The Shield was flippin' awesome. The very end of it sets the stage for some serious harsh times for Vic this season, that seems to me like it can only end in bloodshed. I love that show.
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Last night's episode was full sweet! It's pulling me back in for sure. Just in time to leave me with a season finale. About time we got some others' backstory.
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Fuck the Bone! Lost is full sweet!
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It has been getting better, I'll admit. They're answering a few questions here and there so they're keeping my bitching quotient a bit lower. So I'm still onboard.
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I thought we voted you off Lost Ross, for "too much bitching".
Last night's episode was great. Did you guys catch the frame or two of Jacob in the chair?
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob
And Ross, they came out and said only 3 more (short) seasons left. So now you know how long you'll have to wait to find out EVERYTHING.
Can you bitch for 3 more years?
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I watched the episode last night and loved it (obviously). I didn't see the frames of Jacob! That's sweet as hell. And hey, why didnt you tell me about Lostpedia? Now I'll have hours of entertainment at work after I get home from work.
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Fuck the Bone! Ben's getting a beating!
Lost is full sweet. Much sweeter finale than Heroes. Sorry Bert. 
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I have to agree. While Heroes kept my interest throughout the season better, Lost knows how to throw down a kick-ass finale.
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I haven't watched the Lost finale yet, but I do agree that Heroes had a very lackluster finale.
CAUTION: SPOILERS FOR HEROES FINALE
I've discussed it with guys at work and the consensus is that it was very anticlimactic. I would definitely liked to have seen a big face off between Peter and Sylar.
Also, I was highly perturbed that they just felt like they could stand around and wax philosophical about bullshit while Peter could detonate at any moment.
And why exactly couldn't Peter fly by himself? That's the first thing I thought of when he started to go critical in the alley before passing out. If the answer is that it's tough to control himself while about to meltdown, then they shouldn't have had him acting so calm and collected at the very end.
Lastly, the bit about having Sylar slither away down the manhole was craptastic. First off, that was a fatal wound, I don't care who you are (well, unless you're Claire or Peter). And as far as I know, Sylar has no powers that will render him unable to die or to heal quickly. Not only that, how did he escape in plain sight? His body would have been in the middle of the square with at least a dozen people within sight of him at any given moment. The logistics just don't make sense.
Still, thumbs way up for the season, but thumbs down for the finale.
I fully anticipate Lost having a good finale, though.
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SCI FI Announces End of Battlestar Galactica After Fourth Season
Lead Stories, Diamond Daily, 6/4/2007
The producers of the hit science fiction television series Battlestar Galactica have
announced that the program will end its run after the upcoming fourth
season, driving up consumer excitement and demand for related products!
Despite excellent reviews for the critically acclaimed series, Battlestar Galactica producers Ronald D. Moore and David Eick announced the show’s ending in a joint statement issued on May 31.
“This
show was always meant to have a beginning, a middle and, finally, an
end,” said Moore and Eick. “Over the course of the last year, the story
and the characters have been moving strongly toward that end, and we’ve
decided to listen to those internal voices and conclude the show on our
own terms. And while we know our fans will be saddened to know the end
is coming, they should brace themselves for a wild ride getting there:
We’re going out with a bang.”
The fourth and final season is set to begin in November with “Razor,” a special two-hour episode. Battlestar Galactica will then return in early 2008 to finish its 22-episode run. To read more about the show’s impending conclusion, please visit www.variety.com.
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While this is sad news, it makes sense. I've always liked the idea that a good serial drama shouldn't run forever. It's also rare for a good show to retire before jumping the shark. So if anything, I hope that this will make the production team really give it their all for this season and make this go down as one of the best shows ever made.
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Agreed.
Has anyone else lost interest in Smallville? I remember when we burned through a season a week and then anxiously awaited each new episode. But this season, since midway or so (after the Green Arrow eps), I've had a hard time staying awake through epidodes. Things are progressing so slooooow. Oh well. We have three more to watch, maybe it ends with a bang (but I have my doubts).
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There have been a few good ones after the Green Arrow segment, but I'm by no means rushing to see them. Entourage and the Office have most of my attention these days.
Speaking of Battlestar though, we had a lot of fun calling Swerb into question for not watching Battlestar (among other shows). I was mostly just doing it to be funny, but we declared him full off his rocker. He has admitted that he will be partaking in Entourage though after seeing a couple episodes at the Bertstation.
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The Smallville finale was decent, with a new supervillain addition that promises to be interesting. Nothing even as cool as last years finale, though, when Clark ended up in the Phantom Zone. Overall, this was probably the weakest season yet. Roche correctly identified part of the problem as killing off Clark's pops - he was a really strong character and the show suffers from his absence. Also, every time Lana and Lex are onscreen I'm bored out of my gourd. "Lex, you're lying to me." "I wouldn't lie to the one I love, Lana." "Lex, I love you." <Lana stares into space>. Ugh!
I'm still watching Entourage and Sopranos, and let's not forget the Shield, which is awesome. With TV seasons ending, I'm actually going back to BSG from the beginning and getting Heather to watch them. We did this last summer and we're on to BSG season 2 right now. Very rewatchable stuff.
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The Office is hilarious. We'd watched a couple episodes here and there and it didn't do much for me. But, as usually goes, watching from the beginning and getting into the characters makes this one grow on you. We're half-way through this season (#3) and it's laugh out loud funny!
Swerb doesn't watch BSG and Entourage? What the frack!?
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You know what's sweet? I just got back from the dentist and they played Entourage on an LCD monitor right in front of me while they worked on my teeth! The time before that I was watching Da Ali G Show, but having Entourage on while getting your teeth fucked with definitely makes the experience more pleasurable. It was the episode where Johnny Drama makes his masseur think he wants to fuck him and Seth Green and his posse were fucking with E about his girlfriend - I warned my dentist that having such a funny show on might make life more difficult for them with all the laughter going on.
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YES, I'M AN IDIOT FOR NOT WATCHING ENTOURAGE AND BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
Fact is, I have a life besides watching television.
That's a lie. I watch a lot of sports on TV. To each his own time-waster. Although with hockey season depressingly over, Stacy and I plan to catch up as best we can with Entourage.
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We're not criticizing you for not watching enough TV, we're criticizing your choice of TV habits. :)
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I mostly just liked watching Johnny get flabbergasted over the matter.
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On an unrelated note, I'm writing this from my Wii. It's a pretty neat little machine
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Nice!
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What's so good about it? Michelle loves it but shewon't touch the x-box. I've never played it but it looks stupid swinging a remote control around. Plus, you can't fucking get one anywhere.
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I only have the sports game at the moment which is incredibly dorky to play by yourself, but it can be a blast with friends.
The verdict's still out if it's gonna have any truly sweet games but I think it all depends on developers ability to find sweet ways to use the Wii remotes. I'd say what it lacks in graphical prowess, it makes up for in fun and simplicity. Also, I'm looking forward to playing some Game Cube games like Metroid Prime (thought by some to be one of the best games ever made), that and maybe some Zelda game, You can also DL old school games, I DL'ed Zelda Ocnaria of time from the N64 which I rented back in the day and was never able to finish.
I think for the price and it's tiny size it makes for a good impulse purchase.
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The Wii is definately a sweet little system and I give Nintendo full props for finding their place in the PS/Xbox war. Non-hardcore gamers & kids just love it. It's all my niece and nephews want to play when they come over. The Bowling game that's part of the Sport pack-in is the first new videogame my dad's played in 10 years! Angie's dad also loved the Wii so much that he has since bought one of his own!
Me? It's still 360. I'm rotating between GEARS OF WAR (which has completely supplanted Halo at this point, my main love for the past 5 years) and GUITAR HERO II (which really is a sweet farking game! We've been dueling with two guitars! Even the girls like this one!). Bert! You don't have GUITAR HERO do you!? GET ON IT! There's even a Pearl Jam song!
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Yes, I've heard they were putting a Pearl Jam song onto it. Is it "Life Wasted?" That's one of their new ones, which I like quite a bit.
Anyway, I know I keep saying this, but I really want to get back into Gears with you guys. Let me know when the next time you're playing is and I'll try to get in.
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Yeah, I believe that's the song.
EDGE and I have been playing GEARS most nights these days (11pm-2am). We've got a great West Coast crew we play with (Bunky, Monkey T, Jay B, etc). Great fun! EDGE and I have made the "diddle" an art form. Join us sometime!
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Do you ask folks to "put their butt up in the air"?
Even at an hour earlier than you, starting at 10PM for me is a bit of a stretch. Some ninjas have to work in the morning!
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Ross said:
Even at an hour earlier than you, starting at 10PM for me is a bit of a stretch. Some ninjas have to work in the morning!
True that. And if you try to just play for a little while they'll keep suckering ya with..."just one more" which inevitably becomes three or four more. I typically only play on weekends or if I'm feeling especially saucy.
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Sorry - this is late in the post. I was in the farking UK. Not London, some small little planned community called Milton Keynes. Not much there, but they had a sweet ass steak house that ranked very highly on the Fattyometer. Plus, they had one of those skydive simulators... you know the one with the HUGE fan that blows a ninja up. I'll try and post a video I took on my cell phone - prepare for a crappy feed. And no, I did not do it. I went to schedule a session and they where booked for the day I could. I think I'll go back there in a few months, so I will book it a head of time!
Anyway - Frickin Swerb! I GAVE you 2 seasons of Entourage to watch like last year! After all the hype, all the THUMBS, and being hand delivered a set, you still did not watch it. You are like Roche and the Sopranos (Which, if I was there, he would have had to shut the hell up). Swerb, not only did you completely fall off your rocker, they picked you up and took you to the Full Crazy House.
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I've been using Netflix to solve my television situation. I really have time to watch one movie a night so it's not worth paying $75 a month for cable. At $17 I'm able to have 3 movies in rotation which means I always have a movie available. How's that for a Fatty the Jew manuever?
Seriously though, Netflix is fucking great
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After we've caught up on The Office and Smallville, I think we're gonna try Kyle XY... has anyone watched this series? It sounds interesting, but it might be utter shit. I'll let ya know.
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This video is pretty hilarious. Hitler is pissed Microsoft shut him down.
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That is great shit. I was laughing out loud several times. I loved when the chick was weeping after he threatened to buy a PS3.
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Kyle XY is on hold for now. We're watching Undeclared (by the same creator as Freaks & Geeks and the movie Knocked Up) which is pretty good so far. Also, just started watching Planet Earth: Awesome stuff!
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I just watched the Soparnos finally. Man - I can see why some people are pissed off... but I kinda liked it going out like that. No spoilers here.... just in case you have not watched it yet.
BTW - I am bored, home sick today. Hence the flurry or Fatty activity on the site.
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Oops, I just posted about that here! :)
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Ya, thanks - I deleted mine to respond here.........
It sure does warrant a comment.... I just didn't think anyone else had
watched it yet, since there was nothing on the site yet. With that
kind of ending, I assumed nobody watched it - cuz there was no comment.
I thought it was a great ending. I knew it was the end of the hour,
it was at the end of the show, they where building up like something
was going to happen, all the cuts to various people in the restaurant -
some suspicious, Meadows frantic car parking..... then, cut to black.
Yes it left you hanging, but shit ninja, a tidy ending is boring. I
was kinda hoping that Paulie was going to come in a shoot him, then cut
to black. This way, you will be always wanting something from the
Sopranos and this unfulfilled feeling will stick. If they ever decided
to do something else, lord knows people will flock to it to see what
happens next. Got to keep the peeps hungry.
I give it the thumbs.
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I blogged about it as well here.
Quick summary: Meh. I think I'd lost interest already. It was a good job of building suspense after I'd already decided nothing was going to happen.
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Finally watched the last couple eps of Smallville yesterday. *Yawn.* I hate to say it -- because we used to love this series -- but both Ang & I are out! This was definately Smallville's worst season. If I hear next season is really improved, maybe I'll come back. But for now? I'm done with it.
By the way: Any Wallace & Gromit fans out there besides Fatty and I? Check out Creature Comforts! Two episodes have aired so far. Funny stuff!
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Did anyone see the Star Wars episode of Robot Chicken? It's freaking hilarious. My favorite was Admiral Ackbar's breakfast cereal. The tagline quote had me howling...
I've also started watching "John From Cincinnati", by the creator of Deadwood (with lots of Deadwood cast members in it, to boot). So far, I'm liking it. It's definitely weird, but I'm intrigued. I don't know where it's going yet but I think this could be a good show.
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We are almost finished with the first season of 30 Rock. OMG is that show funny! It is definately on par with Seinfeld - seriously. Alex Baldwin is awesome in it. If you are not watching it, get with it. Only one episode was Meh - 16. The rest are sweet. This last episode G.O.B. (Will Arnett) squares off against Baldwin as a Gay TV exec gunning for Baldwin's job. He is in full G.O.B. mode Fo-Sho!
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Fatty - We're just starting 30 Rock and just watched the 3rd ep. I was laughing out loud regarding something Baldwin said about the page; something along the lines of (in his full, serious Baldwin voice): "In 5 years, we'll either be working under him. Or be dead by his hand."
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The page (Kenneth) may just be the funniest one on the show. There is a scene where Baldwin tells him to go to hell and his response had me howling with laughter, the show on pause for several minutes while I laughed.
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I'm also watching "John from Cincinnati". No idea where it is going either but I dig the pace and the characters are all pretty interesting.
I'm so out of it... when I read "30 Rock" my brain said "Third Rock (from the sun)" and couldn't figure out why you guys just now started watching.
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Wet marmoset - next
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Fuck the Bone! Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in!
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Definitely an upgrade from this:
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Just watch ep. 4 and 5 of 30 Rock. Man, that show is still cracking us up. Baldwin had me rolling with his 'channeling' Morgan's dad and mom. Then, ep. 5 with Kenneth's party... OMG - funny shit!
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I love me some 30 ROCK!!!!! This had us cracking up!
Tracy: How we gonna do that?
Jack: One word...... Surge.
Tracy (angrily): Thats two words!
I am still laughing......
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SCI FI Greenlights Battlestar Galactica: Caprica Prequel
SCI FI has officially greenlit production on a new two-hour backdoor pilot and prequel, Battlestar Galactica: Caprica.
Set 50 years before the events of the popular science-fiction epic, Caprica follows the Greystones and the Adamas, two rival families, as they live
and compete in a 12 Colonies wrapped up in the developing artificial
intelligence and robotics technology that will lead to the creation of
the dreaded Cylons. The show’s producers promise a tone very different
from the one fans have come to expect from Battlestar Galactica, favoring more of a character study and calling it a “sci-fi Dallas.”
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BSG returns next month for the final season!
Is Swerb still out in the cold on this one?
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Good stuff!
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F the Swerb!!! He is busy doing the things Fatty should be doing...
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Will, you can't just disappear from JA, and then show up one day and start Fi'ng people! Fuck the Will for having access to XBOX Live and ignoring Bells, Zilla, and I!
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Fatty - You don't even know! There was like a 4-page pull-out section in the Press Weekender full of Swerby burger goodness! I thought as I perused it... "Fatty would be sooo jealous!"
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Okay Fatty, maybe I have been a bit harsh on you.... Welcome back. I do have to say, your humor has been missed. JA is not the same without you....
Burger season is back! It has been in the high 70's to low 80's out here. We BBQ'd burgers last weekend for my son's birthday party! It is time to load the pantry up with Sweet Baby Ray's!
Fatty, what are you and Creeko slicing in the photo? It appears to have a foot at the end of it....
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Can I speak for most of us Jackasserians when I say F the Bunky. Talking about it being in the 70's to the low 80's. Also, even though he hasn't posted a weather update, F the Bone as well.
Today is the first time all March that we might break into the 60's and it's pouring rain.
Let me say it again. F the Bunk and her california dreamin'.
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F the Bunk indeed! I am working from home. I won't mention that I am in a lounger by my pool, working on my tan as I type on my laptop and work on reports... The Bone gets sweet weather year round, as well as perfect water! My pool is still a little on the cold side...
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That's it. I'm driving out there and bringing some snow balls that I've saved in freezer. Not sure how I'll get them there but I'll wait until you're nice and toasty in the sun and then Bring on the Balls. Snowballs that is.
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Bring on the Balls! We will BBQ you a nice burger afterwards, and serve you cocktails by the pool! I will even turn on the waterfall for that extra soothing effect!
If you wait a few more weeks, we should be ready to take the boat out for some wakeboarding...
Make sure you pinch Rad's cherub cheeks before you leave and tell him I said hello....
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Fatty and the Creeko were enjoying the warm weather too! We busted out the grilling party with some tasty burgers last week too.
A few days, we drove to the Med for a nice, fresh seafood lunch. Normally, I don't do seafood.... but it is a HUGE difference eating it fresh from the Med! I was eating little squirmy things I would normally step on! The tastiest surprise? Octopus!!! Man, it was some meaty, tasty goodness. And indeed, it tasted like chicken.
The photo on the main page is of the Creeko carving up a newly bought jamon. Or, you may know it as 'a leg from a pig'. Its a whole pig's leg, salted and cured. It is very tasty too!!!
Unfortunately, the legendary Fatty appetite got harpooned. I got food poisoning or some virus on day two which put me out of commision. One meal a day was the most I could stuff in my belly, so lunch had to count. I am still recovering!
The sunburn is subsiding as well. Glad to see Michigan is doing so well! 60s huh?
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Fatty, you need to use Bullfrog! It is a must have for white boys who burn in the sun. Do you have weird tan lines from your Speedo?
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That's pretty sweet that the GR Press is finally entering the 20th century and doing some video!
For Johnnybells' sake, I have to add the obligatory "Whaddaya mean you don't like tomatoes?! Tomatoes are good!"
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Ross said:
That's pretty sweet that the GR Press is finally entering the 20th century and doing some video!
That's really my main problem with the Press: Too much reading! It needs more video!
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Bunky - Didn't you call Creeko's hair into question last night on Live? What did you compare it to again? 
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I was just asking if you picked up a Wayne's World vibe...
Wasn't it Gallagher who used to wear the hat with the hair attached to it?
I get the feeling there is a history with Creeko's hair that I am not aware of....
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I think Creeko's hair predates history, Bunky.
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I would be interested to hear Ross' take on the evolution of Creeko's hair....
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I'm not even going to try to defend my hair style. It is obviously far too long and clearly gay.
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Which is perfectly all right for the woman in the family. I myself would grow it long like that, if it still grew.
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Creeko, your hair is not gay. I am a giant asshole. Thanks Jack for pointing that out.
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I find it hilarious that Creeko just relents before he even needs to defend himself. We have clearly worn him down to a mere nubbin.
As for Creeko's hair, there are many missing links in my collection of evidence. Perhaps Professor Bone would be better equipped to elucidate us on the heritage of the Creekosus Buffontitus.
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The last we heard from Bone, he was off to meet with Congressional delegates...
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That's nothing, when I take a shit, I say I have a meeting with the president. If you know Bone, the only Congress he is holding is with his penis.
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Instant Fatty original joke....
What did one gay congressman say to the other? I am so long that I will certainly Fill-a-butt-sir! (tm)
HAHAHAHAHA! That tickles!
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So, did Creeko do one of those aging sites? You know, where you upload one of your pics and it ages you? Is that how we got that picture?
Ohh, and the obligatory laugh for you Fatty.
Freh Freh Freh!!!
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I am curious as to what horrific things you people have subjected poor Creeko to over the years. The first sign of ridicule and he tucks it between his legs and assumes the fetal position!
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NickNick said:
So, did Creeko do one of those aging sites? You know, where you upload one of your pics and it ages you?
Hey! That reminds me!
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Go ahead and berate me for my longtime JA absence... but to catch up:
Stacy and I are finally on board with Battlestar. We're partway through the second season now. As I told Zilla on Saturday after he asked what I thought of the new Cylons, I said, "They're workin' for me!" I'm convinced that Number Six is named so because one needs six Kleenexes to mop up.
The burger thing: I was coerced into it by my editors, and felt sad that Fatty couldn't be there to help me eat a burger a day (sometimes two) for roughly two weeks straight. I felt like total shit when it was all done - wanted to go on the all-celery diet to make up for it. As for the video... please delete it from your memories... there's a reason I went into print journalism... but here's a link just so Fatty can see and read it. I felt his presence over my shoulder throughout the project...
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Entourage, September 7, HBO
Nuff said.
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Okay. Results of the new TV season:
HEROES - I'm officially out! Like Smallville, this is a series that I want to like, but it sucks and I find annoying and boring. See ya!
THE OFFICE - Fun as ever! Swerb? You onboard yet?
TRUE BLOOD - Love it! Fav new show! We can't wait for new eps every week!
ENTOURAGE - Still love it! Funny as hell most the time!
Can't wait for the return of: BSG and LOST!
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I'm still sticking with Heroes, but I agree that it's going nowhere fast and I'm losing interest. Office and Entourage are still sweet. True Blood, though, I still definitely like, but I'm starting to wonder if this is going anywhere. There are a lot of episodes where not a whole helluva lot happens.
And also, I said it before, and I'll say it again: 30 Rock is even funnier than the Office. Funniest show on TV.
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I will give you a Hell Ya on 30 Rock being the funniest show on TV. Zilla and Bells disagree. While the Office is funny, it is a different humor, which is certainly not crack up out loud and roll on the floor funny. Swerb gave me a high five on this as well.
Baldwin is the funniest on the show IMO. His line last week about the Dora the Explorer panties that where obviously made for an overweight young girl was too much!
Entourage is F-n sweet. Love that show and it keeps staying interesting.
Californication is still strong on in our books so far. Lots of titties helps its cause.
We have yet to start True Blood, but we have all the episodes so far. We can watch one after the other - jealous???
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TV is the opium for the masses. Designed to placate the sheep and distract them from the enormous shift of wealth from the majority to those at the top of the corporate world. With that said, True Blood is awesome.
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I agree, Fatty. 30 Rock has at least a couple laugh out loud, pause the TV moments. Last night's was Tina Fey completing Oprah's sentence with "bowel movements". But Baldwin delivers the lion's share of them, and the Dora the Explorer line defintely had me rolling.
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I agree with you on the whole TV thing, Bone. So instead of watching TV, I watch movies and documentaries instead, because that's very different.
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I loved the Baldwin line from last week about working the day shift at the graveyard and the graveyard shift at the Day's Inn...
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BSG RETURNS JAN 16, BITCHES!!!
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Sweet!!!!
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Anyone who dismisses tv simply because it's a passive medium is an unreasonable tool. The dissemination of information is, by definition, a passive process on the part of the recipient. It is the message, not the messenger, that should be subject to scrutiny. When you read a book you use your eyes to get the message to your brain. When you watch tv, you use your eyes and ears. In both cases, the message is observed by the senses and interpretted in your brain. No difference. I can put stupid shit into a book too, but it doesn't make it more valuable than the shit on tv.
That said, 90% of network tv is crap for content. Try watching Discovery, TLC, NASA, Animal Planet (occasionally), NatGEO, and the various HD networks springing up and you'll see some truly educational programming.
Now, if you'll excuse me, Will & Grace is on...
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On the third epi of BSG. It is a little slow so far - I even fell asleep during the last show. I am a little disappointed at the start. Guess my expectations where too high for this being the last episodes. Hope it picks up.
But..... on the other hand... just finished the 5th season of The Shield. We watched 5 years worth of the show in one month. That is awesome. The 5th season was off the hook sweet. Forest Whitaker is in this season and his character brings all sorts of tension and drama. Man, you really hate that asshole. I can't wait to get the final three years. The end of 5 had me cracking up with Dutch getting a lession in Pimpology from a pimp (of course) and he quickly puts his new insights to work on his new hottie partner. Dudes!!!!! I can't wait!!!!!
The Shield gets full thumbs... and a boner.
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Yeah, I thought the first one of this new season was great, but it has slowed down somewhat. Part of the problem I think is that
SPOILER!
once they became "friends" with the Cylons, it necessarily became less exciting. It's still exciting to find out the exact relationship between Earth and the Cylons, but they're not focusing on that enough right now.
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I skipped a ahead of the spoiler so I have no idea what you said but BSG is the best thing on TV since it's creation.
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How far are you, Bone? I agree that overall it's one of the best shows ever, but in last season or so, it's dropped off in quality quite a bit.
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I missed last season. Sad to hear it's dropped off. The first couple were outrageously sweet - and I hate TV.
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Well I take some of it back - last night's episode was f'in sweet.
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Who's watching LOST? Holy crap, this show continues to be super sweet. I found this guy that has a theory on what's going on -- including how time travel works on this series -- and damn if it doesn't seem to be dead on. Check it out! It's not light reading -- only for the LOST superfreaks!
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By the way, Hurley was reading a Y THE LAST MAN trade paperback in last night's episode (the writer Brian K Vaughn is a LOST writer now).
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I noticed that Y reference too. Was it the Spanish language version?
Anyway, I agree, LOST is off the hook. I also highly recommend the podcast where the producers give little tidbits here and there.
Also BSG is returning to form. Last week's episode revealed a metric shitload about the cylons, the original cylon war, Earth, etc. I can't wait to go back and watch it again with the producer's podcast commentary.
TV is sweet again!
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I can't believe how well LOST is put together. It's such a complex story, told in a complex way with an excellent cast, with creators that are re-inventing how to tell this type of tale. Anyone that's watching HEROES over LOST is full monkey-fuckin' nuts in my book.
And the last couple BSGs were off the hook sweet. I agree, there was so much data to parse through that it needs a repeated viewing. I'll have to check out this podcast you speak of, Bert.
We're catching up on some TV since the cruise and just watched THE OFFICE that aired after the superbowl. I laughed more in the first 10 minutes than I have all season of 30 ROCK. The debate continues.
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My Recap of TV.....
BSG - Meh..... I keep falling asleep on the shows. They seem to drag on! Disappointing.
The Shield - Big Points for Ross. Great Show. But watching all 7 seasons back to back made Macky's personality a little old.
The Wire - Bigger Points for Jack. This has to be one of my favorite shows of all time. The show moves fairly slow, but man - It knows how to hold you. 2-3 episodes and you are an addict - like Bubbles. If you have not seen this - it is sweet. One things I noticed. It seems to be slanted to the Homo. Lots of Homo-slanted material. Not that there is anything wrong with it. Its just the ratio of Naked Men to Women was way out of wack - Pun intended. Whats a ninja got to do to see some tittie?
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Regarding The Wire, I should give it another shot. Everyone says how great it is, but I watched at least the first half of Season 1 and it just didn't grab me. I mean, it was very well done, but there was something about it that just wasn't visceral enough. I'll try it again, though.
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Did you see Omar? Omar is pretty visceral, but I forget when you see him in Season 1. He doen't seem like a big character at first. He is the guy that robs the other drug dealers. But, he is gay. For real! Way too much gay stuff in that series.
Give it another shot. I'd go through half a season in one day cuz I had to see what was happening next. Total waste of my day.... but worth it.
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Sayid must live in my neighborhood because I keep running into him. Once at the nearby Borders (where he scared a little kid) and today at Whole foods where we kept getting in each other's way at the salad bar. I'm smoothly trying to befriend him in an effort to meet Evangaline Lilly. I don't have the vocabulary to adequately explain how much I want to get up in that.
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Hahaha! Sweet!
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So, what did people think of the BSG finale?
Oh, wait...
SPOILER ALERT!
I thought it was rather kewl, particularly because I had been telling Angie that I thought it would end with them finding prehistoric earth and being our ancestors (early on in the series I wondered WHEN this was taking place... present, future.. PAST!). I even called it on them getting rid of machines/technology and starting over. Although it seems that's a cycle that can't seem to be broken.
Now, how do people feel about the divine/religious factor? The fact that the 6 that Gaius sees in his head -- the angel that seems to influence him throughout the series -- really is an angel. Everyone wanted to make him a cylon, or her a cylon trick... when she just needed to be taken at face value.
I thought it was a fitting end to a great series myself. But I'm sure there'll be haters. I see an additional BSG 2-hour movie is coming too (the story from the cylcon perspective).
Here's an must-read interview with the writers regarding the series and finale.
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By the way, Bells and I have found a new favorite series. It stars Danny McBride as a total delusional arsehurl. Hilarious shit! And of course it's on HBO: Eastbound and Down. There's only 5 eps so far... check it out!
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Okay, so on with the discussion of the BSG finale. SPOILERS FOLLOW!
It was pretty good, as finales tend to be. But there were definitely some questions that didn't get answered, and I'm hoping I just missed them, but I don't think so:
#1: What the fuck was the deal with Starbuck? They seemed to indicate at one point that she was a Cylon, and clearly there's something weird going on with her, given that she knew the song that magically translated into coordinates to (our) Earth, which also, by the way, had no proper explanation. Also we never learned what the fucking deal was with her "death" in earlier seasons and her finding her own body. The most logical explanation is that she is, in fact, a Cylon and that was one of her copies. But if so, okay, still: what happened? Where did the other copy come from? None of the other Cylons seem to know shit about her. The whole Starbuck plotline was deeply unsatisfying.
Okay, so that is IMO the biggest fuckup of the series. Other qualms are less severe:
#2: Are we really to believe that Baltar's visions of Six are really explained by her being an angel? So the whole Cylon religion ends up being true? And then what does that make Baltar, if Caprica Six sees him as an angel? WTF?
This one is almost as annoying as Starbuck since the question of "what's up with Baltar" has been posed since Season 1.
#3: Hera. They kept touting her throughout the series as the key to humanity's and the Cylons' survival, with absolutely no explanation of why or what that means. It seemed absurd to me that the humans would stage an all-out final suicide mission based on a flimsy oft-repeated assertion that she was the key, without seriously delving into the issue.
So as I explained the events of the finale to Heather (who only pays peripheral attention to the show), it became clearer to me what the producers' explanation of Hera was, though it's still kind of lacking from a scientific perspective: she is apparently the mother of all surviving humanity on our Earth, since probably only she and her offspring are able to successfully mate with both humans and Cylons. Though to my eye, humans were getting along fine on this planet with the Galactica crew and didn't need Cylons to help them along. Anyway, they explained this clumsily by calling her "Mitochondrial Eve" and finding her bones. The thing about ME is that she's more of a hypothetical person (though one that surely existed nonetheless) and her bones are unimportant. Furthermore the odds of one particular human - out of the billions and billions that have existed - fossilizing is practically nil. And in the case of ME, it's unimportant anyway. I can see why they did it - as a device to show Hera was ME and hence in some sense the mother of humanity but it was sloppy in my opinion.
Furthermore, as they're showing that, and showing the producer of the show reading it in the paper, with the Angel Baltar and Angel Six chatting conversationally over his shoulder, what was that supposed to signify, exactly?
So anyway, I guess the show ended pretty well but as has been lately the case with this show, it doesn't quite live up to its legacy.
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I'm so-so on the BSG finale. But first...
SPOILERS AND SUCH FOLLOWING.
They didn't have to explain everything, like why Baltar sees the 6. I thought it was hilarious that she was seeing a ghostly Baltar. They left Starbuck's story arc a mystery, so why not this one? I also wasn't a fan of the lucky coincidence where the Cylon colony is "accidentally" nuked... kinda lame.
But, when the Galactica rammed the Cylon colony... that was sweet!
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Also: too many endings.
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Swerb, I always disagree with you about stuff like this: how can you complain about too many endings for a show so epic in scope and hence many plotlines, yet not care about an explanation for some of the big mysteries???? WTF man!?
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Okay, reading Jack's link (thanks, Jack). This is a total cop-out and it makes it clear that this is their way of rationalizing the fact that they wrote themselves into a corner with Starbuck:
Moore: Kara, I think, is whatever you want her to be. It's easy to put that
label on her: Angel, or Messenger of God, or whatever. Kara Thrace died
and was resurrected and came back and took the people to their final
end. That was her role, her destiny on the show... We debated back and
forth in the writers' room for a while on giving it more definition,
and saying, definitively, "This is what she is," and we decided that
the more you try to outline it and give voice to it and put a name on
it, the less interesting it became. We just decided this was the most
interesting way to go out, with her disappearing without trying to name
what she was.
He's got one thing right: at this point, any explanation would be worse than no explanation, but that says more about the situation he outlined than anything else. Bah!
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Ross: Untie your nuts, dude. I'm not complaining about there being too many endings in general - more like making a half-assed joke.
Thinking about it, though, I could have totally done without the last coda, with its distracting cameo by Moore (indulgent!), the "mitochondrial Eve" and the commentary about materialism, etc. I completely agree with you that it's sloppy.
So I'll hereby alter my simplistic commentary: one too many endings.
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One more thought: Generally speaking, tying things up too neatly can be contrived. Don't get me wrong - I appreciate a good conflict resolved. But I think I prefer a more suggestive, left-for-interpretation conclusion, a la The Sopranos.
I'm not saying the Battlestar wrap-up wasn't satisfying. It was, for the most part. But Starbuck's conclusion was unsatisfying in its unsuggestiveness - it leaves me blank. And I still contend the Six-and-Baltar-as-angels/demons/whatever thing is just weak; I'd rather see them not explain it, so I could just assume they're both somewhat insane, and therefore meant for each other. Their moment of revelation - during the battle, when they both realize the other is seeing a hallucination or whatever it is - is probably the best moment in the finale, if you ask me, but it's tainted by the I'm-seeing-an-angel hooey that comes later.
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I agree with everything you said, with the exception of the best part. For me, it was the perceived double-cross on the part of the final five. I thought that was brilliant. And the irony is, if everything had gone according to plan at that moment, and they had acheived peace, then they never would have found our Earth. I thought that was great.
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And let me also single out the comments on materialism and technology as being ham-fisted and feeling tacked-on. Definitely could have done without that crap.
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This had me laughing unto tears. A choice nugget:
The angels show up and explain that there wasn't really a point to all
of their bullshit except to keep Hera safe long enough to get her to
Earth, and then Other Earth. Meanwhile, Helo and Athena teach Hera to
surf and grow beans, and the Chief heads off to invent Ireland.
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Dude, that summary is abolutely hilarious! I love it.
Also, Heather and I just watched the first episode of Eastbound and Down. We laughed our asses off. The line that had me cracking up the hardest was when the skank in the bar says to him "stars make me... how should I say this.... wet in my pussy?"
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Swerb said:
I'm not saying the Battlestar wrap-up wasn't satisfying. It was , for the most part. n't.
Just a little editing for you there John, no charge ;)
I think the best moment in the finale was when the five were sharing their memories and Chief saw that Tory had murdered Cally. That's what finales should do; make you see how the events of previous episodes contributed to the outcome.
Adama should have either died in the battle or ridden Galactica into the sun. Arguably, he was staying alive to help Roslin live out her remaining time, but once she died, I think he should have jumped to the head of the fleet and lead the ships into the sun. Particularly after all that "he's not coming back" crap. Otherwise, they could have said "You know he's not coming back, right?" "Yeah, but he's just over in West Virginia, we can go see him next week."
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By the way, Jack, Heather and I give Eastbound and Down the thumbs! Hilarious!
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Something else one of my friends brought up that they never addressed: if Tigh is a Cylon, how could Bill have known him for all those years? What about his backstory?
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A friend at work sent me this - a friend of his found it on the Aint it Cool News boards. It's a sweet rant that is pretty damn dead-on:
Okay, so I have some questions (other than "how dare they?"). 1.) So,
Starbuck's an angel. Like an angel-angel? Okaaaaay. So, let's just look
at this for a second. The writers are saying that we live in a universe
where God(s?) rules all. And this God(s) is/are a really hands on
God(s)? Like REALLY hands on. As in, angels walking amongst us. So, if
that's the case...it seems like a pretty major deus ex machina. Like
not seen in storytelling since "Antigone." Wow-- so 3/4 of the way
through a series, the writers suddenly introduce a little story point
like angels? As in physical, interactive, getting drunk, playing piano
and making out with Lee and shooting cylons type of angels? Wow...That.
Takes. Balls. 2.) So, magic-6-in-Baltar's-head was an angel all along,
too? Of course, this doesn't work. At all. Because they drastically
retrofitted this character in Season 4. In fact, she disappeared for
almost a complete season before bringing her back in a completely
different way. The second version was all about pushing Baltar to do
good, etc. The first version was fucking, sucking and manipulating him
to kill the humans. It was clearly a Cylon inspired vision because
everything she motivated him to do led to the death and destruction of
the humans and helped the Cylons. But whatever. I guess because she
talked about "God's plan," I'm supposed to assume they knew all along
that she was an angel all along. Yeah, sure. And Lucas knew that Luke
and Leia were brother and sister all along, too. That's why he had them
make out in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Because that's what you would do if
you knew those two characters were related. Keep trying to convince me
of that, George. 3.) So, after 8 episodes of nearly no action (with one
DIE HARD episode as the one exception), we get a full hour of non-stop
action. Fine. Except I have no idea what their mission is (other than
"find the girl"). Okay. So, we're watching a space version of
CHINATOWN. But, unlike that movie, I don't understand ANYONE'S
motivation. I don't even know how they found Cylon world. What meaning
does Hera have to the humanity? I mean, I get why she's important to
the Cylons. They get to figure out how to breed because of her.
Otherwise they die out. So, if the human mission was "kill the girl" I
get it. That makes sense. It would be a little ugly, but it would be
dramatic. It would also put Athena and Heilo at odds with Adama and
Roslin. But no. They didn't go there. Instead, they just tell us that
she's important. We have no idea why. But we're supposed to take their
word for it. So, because I don't understand the mission and because
literally no one of importance died on the mission (other than Boomer,
who gets shot by Athena), I couldn't care less about all that "action."
4.) More about Hera. Hate to harp on it, except she's the whole point
of Season 4. Literally. So, explain: we're told that Hera is the most
important little creature in the universe. She is the key to human life
continuing. Why? We don't know. But without her, humanity is doomed.
Except we get to our Earth and wow! There are humans. Yes. Humans. Like
human-humans. So, throughout this entire series, there was never any
chance of the humans dying out. Because they are magically on our own
world. And the entire four season struggle for human existence meant
nothing. The Cylons could have killed every living human and worn Adama
like a skin tuxedo and the humans would STILL have existed. Seriously.
These writers are so stupid they don't realize they've completely
invalidated their entire series with their stupid, retro-con
storytelling. But whatever. Here's another completely insane element:
Flash forward 150,000 years (which is even further than the
flashforward at the end of A.I.-- one of the most absurd endings of all
time. Well done, BSG!). We learn from angel Baltar/angel 6 who that
little Hera's bones have been found in an excavation in Africa. Along
with her human father and Cylon mother. A little girl. A LITTLE GIRL???
Okaaaaay...so that means Hera dies. Like, really young. Like, as a
child. Like, really soon after we last see her. So, basically, could
someone explain WHAT THE FUCK WAS SO IMPORTANT ABOUT HERA IF SHE DIED
MONTHS AFTER REACHING NEW EARTH!!! Seriously, was God's plan for Hera
to appear on the cover of National Geographic? Was that it? And doesn't
Hera invalidate evolution? I mean, she represents a human being that is
out of time by at least 145,000 years. I mean, seriously-- humans
haven't even developed LANGUAGE. We're pretty far back in the human
chain of existence. And now scientists are looking at a modern homo
sapian girl. Wow. Thank you God for totally fucking the theory of
evolution. Maybe that WAS God's plan. Maybe that's the ultimate
message. God exists. Evolution is bullshit. But I kinda doubt it. This
was a disaster of a season. A total trainwreck of an ending with no
comprehension of the material. I mean, there's shit that just was a
complete "fuck you" to logic and storytelling. The final five suddenly
have total understanding how to be super-cylons. Fine. I'll accept that
they suddenly know that when they put their hands in Anders soup that
they'll all magically link to one another and know everything that ever
happened to each other. Okay. But THAT'S what makes Chief kill Indian
girl and then the deal's suddenly off between humans and Cylons and
then everyone shoots each other and Dean Stockwell shoots himself in
the head? Really? What? No, seriously, WHAT? And remember Indian girl
killing Callie because she though the baby was a cylon baby? Except it
wasn't? It was Hot Dog's? Remember how all of that was built up to be
important? And then it wasn't? Until it was? Because they realized they
painted themselves into a corner with too many cylon babies. So they
invalidated one and miscarried another? Because they were winging it.
And have since the end of Season 2. And how about Starbuck's throw away
line where she puts numbers to the ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER notes? And
it turns out that's where Earth is? Of course, when she suggested the
number thing in a previous episode, I said outloud to myself, "Why the
fuck would you even think to do that?" But whatever. Lame. And let me
get this morality straight-- Baltar gets to kill off the 12 colonies
and then lie, cheat and add to the death toll at every step of the way.
But then, because he talks about God in the final scene and brokers a
treaty with the cylons (that lasts for all of 3 minutes before Chief
kills Indian girl and screws everything up), he and Caprica are now
allowed to live in peace for the rest of their lives? Wow. God sucks. I
mean, seriously, He's a total asshole. And if "God being an asshole"
was the point, maybe they shouldn't have played the final
Batlar/Caprica-going-off-to-th eir-new-farm moment as romantic and
sweet. Because it was the equivalent of watching Hitler and Eva Braun
retire to Napa Valley at the end of WWII. Christ, these guys are
fucking idiots. And listen-- you can't have angels be both invisible
all knowing creatures and regular humans flying Vipers. They can't be
both. Sure, "God" can do anything I guess. But professional
storytellers should know better. A lot better. Because that's just lazy
storytelling. I could go on and on, but I've had enough. They had a
spectacular first season. An extremely strong second season. A wonky
season 3.0. A terrible 3.5. And then one disaster after another,
leading up to an absolutely insulting and idiotic finale. My jaw was
hanging open in shock. I want to punch them all in the dick.
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This is one of my major beefs with "modern day" storytelling. These writers and directors are trying so hard to be exciting and unpredictable, that they often write themselves right out of a good storyline.
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Ross said:
A friend at work sent me this - a friend of his found it on the Aint it Cool News boards. It's a sweet rant that is pretty damn dead-on:
Um - can a ninja get a spoiler alert? I got 3/4 of the way through when I said 'Damn! Now I know what is going to happen.'
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It took you 3/4 to figure that out? Okay, let me give you a little hint: Everything in this thread is now considered BSG spoiler material, okay? In fact, stop reading thi
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Fatty - If you're still reading this you're an idiot for ruining the surprises and revelations of a sweet series. If you're still reading, be sure to check out EASTBOWN AND DOWN on HBO (welcome aboard, Johnsons!). I have the 5th episode and it's driving me nuts cuz I have to wait and watch it with Bells.
All - Regarding the rant above -- I would only add that there's a difference between Starbuck and the Baltar/6 "heads". Starbuck was resurrected to fulfill her destiny. Baltar/6 "heads" seem to be the "spirit of God" or something influencing characters. A slight difference, granted, and may still make no difference to ranter. And for a guy who likes to rag on other writers, how about some damn white space!?
The fact is, you can tear most any series apart, but I'll choose to remember this series as one with fascinating/real characters and stories of moral, political, religious themes that I can think of no other series has done. What series has dealt with post 9/11 issues like BSG? Did the writers make some stuff up as they went along? Fraid so. But it's the journey, not the end that counts. Just like LOST. Can the end possibly payoff after 5-odd seasons of shows? Most likely not, but the journey getting there is awesome.
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I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, Jack: the journey was for the most part great. There is some really great stuff in the series, particularly in Seasons 2 and 3. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't complain about them not doing as good a job as they might have on the finale.
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This is the kind of thing I will remember most about BSG. Not taking anything away from story or character development, but this was cool as shit. Ignore the cheezy hype/titles at the beginning...
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Jack, let me know after you watch the latest episode of EBnD. Something's rotten in Denmark...
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Anyone watch the Caprica pilot? It only came out on DVD, not on the Si-Fi channel (Spider's favorite nomenclature) apparently so that it could show a few seconds of meaningless boobs, is all I can figure. Anyway, I finally got around to watching it, and it's pretty good. It's set on Caprica (duh) like 60 years before the Cylon war. It has some Matrix-y sci-fi themes as well as the beginning back story of where the Cylons come from. I was pleasantly surprised.
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Re: Caprica - Ang & I started watching it (got about half way) but haven't gotten back to it yet. I wasn't sure what to make of it so far... I'll have to watch the rest. It's definitely got a different feel from BSG.
Did anyone watch Whedon's DOLLHOUSE series? I guess it's coming back next year, so maybe I'll give it a try.
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Shit, that was something I had meant to get ahold of. Thanks for reminding me...
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By the way, Heather and I watched Dollhouse and liked it quite a bit. However, have you heard about the unaired episode 13 (no joke)? In my opinion, it's far better than any other episode! And to think, the dipshits at Fox wouldn't air it for some reason? Retards!
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I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to watch that show. Megan and I are just now getting into Trueblood. We've made through the fist 6 or 7 episodes.
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Ross said:
By the way, Heather and I watched Dollhouse and liked it quite a bit. However, have you heard about the unaired episode 13 (no joke)? In my opinion, it's far better than any other episode! And to think, the dipshits at Fox wouldn't air it for some reason? Retards!
I haven't watched it yet, but plan to eventually -- especially with your recommendation and it's returning next season.
Rad was over the other day and we watched parts of THE FLASH TV show from the early 90's... pretty turdy. I reminded him that I got to get to watching those Earth 2's (for losing the Bionic Woman bet) and he offered to watch them with me, but we don't know when our schedules would allow it. Maybe he'll let me hold off on watching them for our retirement? Should be ok, though there is the risk that I could die before fulfilling my obligation. That would be too bad.
Right now we're back into THE WIRE ... about an episode a night. We're nearing the end of season 4 (5 total). Sweet, smart series. Hey Fatty! One of my fav lines is Season 4, Ep 2, 32 min. in: "Shhhheeeeeeeeeeit" Que it up! Classic.
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BSG: The Plan is out in the wild!
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I was going to post this last week - it's not bad, pretty interesting. Also: nudity!
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