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Entered on: April 2, 2005 11:21 AM by Jackzilla
I guess I'm the first to post my thoughts. I expected that Bert would've chimed in already, but perhaps he's off catching another showing.  
Bells and I saw it last night and we both thoroughly enjoyed it. If there's a single line missing from the comics, I didn't catch it. Marv was my favorite (he's SWEET!) but I thought everyone involved did a bang up job. I can't imagine any fan being dissapointed.

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From: The Bone Entered on: April 2, 2005 2:44 PM
I'm off for a showing in a few minutes. I let you know what it's like from a virgin perspective. I haven't read the comics.
From: Swerb Entered on: April 2, 2005 3:32 PM
Jack, apparently you missed my post on an earlier thread:
But, to add to that, I saw it again Friday night, and have deemed it fucking goddamn pope-rapingly sweet! I laugh with evil glee every time Marv plops Kevin's head on the open Bible. And Mickey Rourke... "Is that the best you can do, you pansies?" is delivered with such conviction, I almost shat myself with joy.
From: The Bone Entered on: April 2, 2005 6:34 PM
It was a pretty decent flick. First of all, the way Rodriguez filmed it was pretty sweet. I thought it may be cheesy but it worked. The good:  
Mickey Rourke was super sweet and Marv was by far my favorite character.  
Frodo - What the hell? He was pretty fucking sweet until Marv got a hold of him.  
The albino marmoset actually looked hot in this one - but didn't do nearly as much for me as Rosario Dawson/Gail.  
Fucking Clive Owen was another sweet mother f'r. I'd say Dwight was my second favorite character. Hartigan was decent but I'm about ready for Bruce Willis to retire. I'm sick of seeing the same character over and over and over.  
The bad but by no means shitty:  
Brittney Murphy sucks. I hate her. Ever since she sucked in Clueless along with Alba, I've disliked her. She annoys the fuck out of me.  
Josh Harnet brought me down as well. He is a stinker.  
Overall, it was pretty good though. I'd say the best part of the whole experience was the Revenge of the SIth trailor at the beggining. Holy fuck! Was that sweet or what?
From: Ross Entered on: April 2, 2005 9:13 PM
Well, I guess I should chime in but a regular review would be unnessary since most of us have read the comics and it was impossibly faithful so I'll just throw out some random thoughts:  
I thought Jessica Alba was fairly stanky. I'm still annoyed that she was cast as a stripper who won't strip.  
Carla Guigligouoglllluio is hot as fuck. Nuff said.  
Mickey Rourke was so fucking sweet I could barely believe it. He was indistinguishable from Marv, not only in his face (well, the chin may have been a bit too big but that's nitpicking) but even his body seemed identical.  
I loved Kevin, as I knew I would, as it's one of my favorite things from any Sin City story. It was executed perfectly, and quite possibly my favorite moment was Marv realizing that someone got the drop on him. Speaking of which, most people wouldn't notice this but at the beginning when Marv was with Goldie and the door opens and Kevin shows up to kill her, that was inserted for the movie only. Kevin never was shown in the comics at that point and I don't have the slightest idea why they put him in there in the movie because it's stupid. It's much more powerful that we find out about Kevin when Marv does, as in the comic. But hey, this is fairly minor if it's my major gripe.  
Actually, my foremost gripe is why they chose to use The Big Fat Kill and not A Dame to Kill For for the second story. As some critics have noted, all three stories in the movie are almost obnoxiously similar: guy protects girl. Instead, with A Dame to Kill For, you have a girl royally fucking over a guy and the guy getting revenge. It's a much better story and my second-favorite after the original one with Marv. From what I've read it was Rodriguez's decision to use these three particular stories and I can only hope that the idea is to have A Dame to Kill For as a separate story someday. I've never even seen any of the comic-aware movie sites mention this, and I wonder why cuz it's really bugging me.  
Harnett at the end - that was totally made up, never in a comic, but I loved it. His character was only in that 3 page vignette that they put at the beginning. In the Big Fat Kill, Becky dies along with Manute and all the others in the alley. However, I actually liked the ending with Hartnett showing back up to kill her quite a bit.  
My favorite shot-from-comic-frame was Marv holding onto the bars on the wall of that small celll with Lucille walking below. It was IDENTICAL to the comic and I was just smiling ear to ear when I saw that. Amazing. AMAZING!  
It's really hard for me to be objective about the movie and judge its fairly original filming style - which seems to be the focus of many reviews, but in reality, it's nothing more than a means to an end to achieve the translation of the comic. It was very cool, but it couldn't have worked any other way, really.  
Overall, of course, I loved it. How could I not?
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 2, 2005 11:42 PM
Yes Bone, Rosario Dawson is some hot chocolate, for sure. And that's all I have to say right now.
From: Swerb Entered on: April 3, 2005 2:49 PM
I agree, Hartnett sucks, but he's passable in his tiny role.  
Alba: Also passable, decent to look at, and while I think her acting leaves a bit to be desired, it didn't really take anything away from the movie for me.  
And I can't believe I'm saying this, Bone, but I thought Brittany Murphy fit the role really well. Over the top, yes, but the reason I liked her and Rourke was because they didn't take it all too seriously, and hammed it up a little bit (I especially like how Rourke tends to walk like he's got a load in his pants... he did that in Barfly, too). I actually wish all the actors would have done that - Willis played it a bit too straight, if you ask me. But these are all minor quibbles. I fucking loved the movie, and I'm sure I'll see it a couple more times before it leaves theaters.  
And Rosario Dawson? Hot as hell, but her acting was a bit shitty here. Sorry.
From: The Bone Entered on: April 3, 2005 5:51 PM
What I hate about Brittany Murphy is the way her fucking head shakes when she talks. Sort of like Kate Hepburn when she was 80 yrs old. She has this shake at all times. Fuck it pisses me off.  
It's hard too tell what is shitty acting and what is hamming it up for a movie like this. I'd say Mickey Rourke was hamming it up with proffesional acting ability. I'd say Murphy was hamming it up out of shitty acting ability.  
I swear to God the minute Hartnett delivered his lines, I thought to myself, "this movie is going to suck". Thank the sweet lord Jeesus his role was only 5 minutes long.  
Benicio Del Taco on the other hand was fucking great too. He deserves some props.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 3, 2005 7:07 PM
Hartnett is crap for sure. Angie's sister rented and brought over Wicker Park (I think it was called) and it was the first thing I had ever seen Hartnett in. It was a crapfest of a movie and I couldn't believe what a boring actor he was. (This is the guy they wanted to play Superman a couple years back?). He's just an absolute bore to watch.  
Now, Benicio Del Turo? I agree, Bone, he was cool. Rourke, Owen and Del Turo were all sweet in Sin City. I wasn't crazy about Owen after Closer, but now I think he's sweet. They need a new James Bond to replace (ugh!) Pierce Brosnan? Clive Owen would be kick ass!
From: The Bone Entered on: April 3, 2005 8:06 PM
For sure. I had never seen Owen before. He'd be my top Bond pick.
From: Ross Entered on: April 3, 2005 9:32 PM
Great (and long) article on Sin City and comics. I highly recommend it, especially if you've read teh shitty review that Entertainment Weekly's Lisa Schwazbaum gave Sin City. Call me a fanboy, but I will never take another review from her seriously.
From: The Bone Entered on: April 3, 2005 11:30 PM
Too long for me. Can you summarize?
From: Ross Entered on: April 4, 2005 9:06 AM
Basically that this movie is sweet and Lisa Schwazbaum is a bitchwad of a twat.
From: BigFatty Entered on: April 4, 2005 9:31 AM
I hope someone is saving a Sin City viewing so they can go with me. I would hate for you to be all Sinned out. I was counting on Bells, but he is never on JA AND being a working man, does not have the time he once had.  
I need some unemployed friends. Maybe I will start hanging around The Mission and Mel Trotter. If I put up with some Bible Bullshitery I can make new friends and eat free food.
From: Ross Entered on: April 4, 2005 10:01 AM
Not possible for me to be sinned-out. I've seen it twice now and there's plenty of room left in that town for the both of us.
From: Swerb Entered on: April 4, 2005 11:01 AM
I, too, would like to see it again (a few times)... maybe a trip to the theater should be worked into the big Fatty Returns weekend in GR.
From: Ross Entered on: April 4, 2005 11:11 AM
NPR has a Kevin Smith interview with Frank Miller you can lsiten to, though it's screwing up on me too much here at work to listen to all of it. So far, though, it's good.

From: Ross Entered on: April 4, 2005 5:39 PM
Is this a joke? I'm not sure but it's hilarious either way:

From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 4, 2005 8:08 PM
Yeah, that review of Sin City by Lisa Shitbum in EW was crap. She seems to have a thing against comic books to begin with -- starting the review making fun of the fact that they're called graphic novels. Like it's too high brow or something. Whatever, bitch. Like "funny book" or "comic book" is an accurate description of the Sin City source material. Suck my nads you movie snob, and go watch Beautyshop again (which I believe they gave the same grade to as Sin City).
From: The Bone Entered on: April 4, 2005 8:59 PM
Oh fuck the mainecampus article had me in stitches. I love this line:  
" To make matters worse, the audience was packed with sinners, hooting and hollering the entire time like a pack of demons. I thought for sure I had fallen into the book of Revelations."
From: Ross Entered on: April 6, 2005 7:12 PM
Can't believe I forgot to check what the Crazy Christians had to say about Sin City. I'm not disappointed:  
I don't know why they even bother. A perfect score of ZERO. My kind of movie. My favorite listed offense is this:  
- name calling with "fool" [Matt. 5:22]  
So I looked it up in the Skeptics annotated bible:  
Jesus says that "Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." Yet he often calls his critics and disciples fools. Paul is also in danger of going to hell since he liked to call people fools.  
I can't freakin' believe it! That's a new one to me!
From: BigFatty Entered on: April 6, 2005 7:41 PM
Hmmm, I wondered what they would say about 'The Passion of Jeebus' I nearly laughed out loud when I read this paragraph -  
Regarding Jim Caviezel (Played Jeebus), he spent so much time in full-body make-up that his skin blistered. Jim also spent much of his time in a loin cloth in the Italian winter, sometimes unable to speak due to the cold. Jim was obviously so absorbed into the part that he was able to overcome a lung infection, numerous cuts and bruises and a shoulder dislocation to finish the picture. Interesting to say the least, while working on Golgotha, Jim was struck by lightning -- then got up and walked away. Obviously his part in the film was a labor of love for Jim. And it may be obvious to some that God intended for this film to be finished, the leading actor's miseries notwithstanding.  
Yes, it is obvious that God wanted to finish this picture, so he STRUCK THE MAIN ACTOR WITH LIGHTINING.
From: Swerb Entered on: April 6, 2005 11:10 PM
That is the fucking funniest thing I've read all week. They list "name calling with "fool" [Matt. 5:22]" but not "murdering a Catholic priest in the confessional" or "plopping a severed head on an open Bible" or "torturing a high-ranking Cardinal." I dunno, but if you ask me, those are some serious offenses to God.
From: Ross Entered on: April 7, 2005 5:33 PM
CNN has a pretty decent article on Sin City:
The more I think about the movie, the more I realize that it's not literally correct to think of it as a movie. As Frank says in the article, it has the feel of a comic book, and it really does. I still think the stories work better as comics, but this film is really an experiment to see how they translate to a film-like medium. But they don't obey all the conventions of film, primarily in the way shots are lit - it's unrealistic in a comic book way. This is something completely different from a normal comic book adaptation that takes (or tries to take) the essence of a comic character and his best stories and adapat them into a film sensibility. Sin City is not that at all. It's a comic book in a strange new environment.  
Whereas Spider-Man 2 is a movie that is closely based on a comic book character and (less closely) on some of his stories, Sin City is literally a comic book on film. This is not being sly with words, the difference is very key to understanding what makes Sin City unique.
From: Ross Entered on: April 8, 2005 4:12 PM
I love the bad reviews. This one is particularly poorly written, by someone who clearly has a hard time comprehending things. It's always shocking to me when someone can write a review that is chock-full of complaints about plot holes or inconsistencies, when the actual problem is that they didn't understand what actually happened!

From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 8, 2005 4:09 PM
Dude. That's the Brian Jones article.
From: Ross Entered on: April 8, 2005 4:11 PM
Oh shit, sorry:
I'm going to fix the first one, so for the record everyone, yes, I posted in the wrong link the first time. :)
From: Ross Entered on: April 8, 2005 5:36 PM
Also, I'm still slogging thru the CHUD boards discussion of Sin City, but this guy has a review that I'm pretty well in agreement with, except I am not as keen on Benecio's acting on Jackie Boy as he is. Otherwise he's pretty much a match for my feelings.

From: Ross Entered on: April 9, 2005 1:19 PM
Speaking of CAPAlert a few posts back, check out this summary of their site. It had me laughing my ass off:
From: Swerb Entered on: April 10, 2005 9:29 AM
You know, there are so many good lines there, I can't even single out my favorite. But I do like "talk of underwear in a non-factual manner" and "lie to prevent discovery of the ape."  
Those descriptions are much more creative than the MPAA's "reasoning" for giving a film a specific rating (I have to include such info. in my movie reviews). My fave was when Shaun of the Dead was given an R for "zombie violence." I guess zombies DO have their own specific forms of violence, but geez, the MPAA is getting lazy...

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