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Entered on: April 28, 2003 9:01 AM by Ross
Okay, so I finally got both Wolverine and Clone Wars.  
Wolverine is okay - I think I like it more because I like comic books. Mark Hammil does the voice of Wolverine and while he's known to be a good voice actor, he doesn't do the character justice in my opinion. But my main gripe is that it's hard! I played several levels with no problem and now I'm on a boss stage that is practically impossible. Well, once I figured out that they were crippling me with the controls and how to get out of it, I might have a chance of beating it someday but it's still assinine because of course the bad guy can only be hurt by one screwy manuever that's hard as hell to do and you have to do it probably 4 or 5 times. Very annoying.  
Clone Wars seems cool but I've been preoccupied with Wolvie so I haven't given it much chance. You guys should try it out on a game night to see if it's any good.

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From: Ross Entered on: April 28, 2003 4:55 PM
Also, Jack, while sort of on the topic of super heroes, I thought I would set you straight on something: a while back John mentioned in passing that after seeing the Spider-Man movie, you two had a dispute as to the proper depiction of Spider-Man's strength.  
I know that this is a very petty issue, and I'm not going to argue about what Spider-Man's strength is supposed to be. What I do want to mention is that although you run a comic book store, this does not by default place you at all in the realm of Roche-level mastery of Marvel superhero trivia. Allow me to explain:  
When we were in our early teens or thereabouts, John and I collected comic books. Religiously. Mostly Marvel titles. But it went beyond that. Somewhere in that time frame, the Marvel Universe Handbooks were published which went into great detail of the powers of just about every character seen for more than one issue in Marvel history. To say that John read these with fervor would be a gross understatement. John, through some mutant power of his own, literally memorized every factoid about EVERY character. I would literally open up to a random character, and I could ask him any stat: he knew them all. Height, weight, eye color, hair color, powers, and yes, strength level. Back then they classified it by how much weight they could lift over their heads (they no longer do this, I've noticed). And in case it hasn't become obvious in the course of time that you've known him, John has always had an obsession with strength. So it is highly unlikely that he would ever forget the metric of strength for one of his favorite characters, of whom he collected no less than 5 titles for.  
No one's taking anything away from you, Jack. I'm sure that in general you know far more about comics these days than Roche or I put together. But to dispute something such as this with Roche, who himself has superhuman memory powers for this kind of nonsense... well, it's just not realistic.  
Point of concession: it is in fact possible that Marvel has amended their stats since our heyday to coincide with your claim. However, as self-appointed judge in this matter, I rule that given Roche's time-tested encyclopedic knowledge of these matters, the burden of proof is on you to prove him wrong.
From: The Bone Entered on: April 28, 2003 5:12 PM
Although I read comics sporadically, I remember in Roche's comic heyday, his encyclopeadic knowledge of superheros. I even remember him talking of Marvels strngth scale and how it applied to each character. Something to do with how many tons a dude could press over his head. Spiderman was a 15 ton guy if memory serves me correclty. I'm curious to see if I remember correctly. Roche?
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 28, 2003 8:22 PM
I vaguely recall this discussion with John but I don't remember exactly what was said (or disputed). I too have the complete run of the Marvel Universe Handbooks (and DC's version that came out around the same time). I admit that I never memorized any stats -- I don't think the writer's themselves treat that stuff like its written in cement. But I have read shitloads of comics. And I do know that Spider-Man has the "proportionate strength of a household spider." That's fairly basic comic nerd knowledge. Is John disputing this or something else I said? I'm not exactly sure how that "proportionate strength" comes out in real-life terms, but it seems I've heard it said that Spider-Man has "the strength of ten men."  
I would also like to say that despite what most fanboys would like to think, Spider-Man could kick the living shit out of Wolverine.  
By the way -- Kudos to you, Ross, for spelling Spider-Man correctly. It pisses me off when the hyphen is left off (most non-comic fans do this). Spiderman? Sounds like a jewish super hero to me.  

From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 28, 2003 5:20 PM
The Bone -- Please refer to my last paragraph above.  

From: The Bone Entered on: April 28, 2003 5:54 PM
Sorry about my Spiderman misspelling. I'm not really a well versed in the comic book style. With regard to Wolverine. I remember Roche showing me a comic where Spider-Man does in fact kick the living shit out of him. Wolverine did take his whupping with a certain amount of panache though. He had a big smile on his face while Spider-Man was laying into him. A very approximate quote by Spider-Man, " I'm punching him with enough force to crush an automobile, yet I can't wipe the grin off his face."
From: Ross Entered on: April 28, 2003 7:01 PM
Jack, see below:
This is significantly more than what ten men can do. Proportionate strength of a spider, yes. But that's a lot more than ten men. I believe what Roche claimed was in line with what's above.  
Also, in the course of my web search, I found this very interesting site devoted to the real-world physics of Spider-Man's powers. Very interesting stuff!
Also, regarding Spider-Man vs. Wolverine, I agree. And I found yet another interesting site devoted to it:
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 28, 2003 9:49 PM
Back to the video games...  
Current HITS playing at Jackzilla's:  
MR DO! - Super Nintendo version has 2-player co-op mode! Sweet! Ang & I have gotten to be a great team on this one!  
MONOPOLY PARTY! - The only way to play! 4 players can play a full game in 20 minutes! SWEET!  
XBOMBERman - Homebrew game that everyone seems to love. 4 player, old school fun!  
TAO FANG - The sweetest fighter I've seen in a while.  
Games I'm looking forward to:  
BURNOUT 2 - I gotta call this my all-time favorite racer on PS2 (formerly held by Need For Speed, but they don't have crashes in that series anymore). The Xbox version is supposed to have a little more added. Can't wait! Out soon!  
ENTER THE MATRIX - Oughta rock!  
BRUTE FORCE - Of course! Hopefully, this multi-person shooter will keep us from Halo when its out. We always try different games, and invariably someone declares "ok... nice game... time for Halo!" It's a testament to the joy of Halo, but still!  

From: Ross Entered on: April 28, 2003 10:17 PM
Yeah, actually I got my mom to play Monopoly Party with Heather and I. Never thought I'd see the day that my mother picked up an xbox controller....  
You forgot one though: Wolftenstein. I think that's gonna be a fun one to play multiplayer on. I played it online on the PC and it was pretty darned fun.  
As for retro, I still pull up Bionic Commando for the original NES and play for a while. Along with the original Metal Gear and a game called Blaster Master, that was my favorite back in the day.
From: Swerb Entered on: April 28, 2003 11:24 PM
Does Ross have nothing better to do than look up this comic book geek shit on the net???? And just to provoke him further: The Punisher could whup Daredevil's ass any day of the week. Fuckin' cripple.  
Actually, "Fuckin' cripple" should be a Jackassery encyclopedia entry, no?  
Best retro video game ever: Megamania for Atari 2600. I can honestly say I've been addicted to this game for 20 years.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 29, 2003 12:54 AM
Hey Ross - Have you tried updating Avalaunch lately? I've tried a couple times and now it just freezes up (can't even use In Game Reset). Weird. Hard to update the program when the Update portion has a bug. D'oh!  
Xbox Media Player gets cooler all the time. I just updated to the 4-24-03 version and I don't see a bug in it (I was having some on and off troubles with my networked MP3 shares before). I even took the time to add thumbnails for all the album covers. I love this thing!  

From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 29, 2003 12:55 AM
By the way, Swerb... you shouldn't be fuckin' cripples. Poor little bastards can't even defend themselves.  

From: Ross Entered on: April 29, 2003 10:03 AM
Swerb - When have you have mad skeelz like myself, looking up these sites takes but a fraction of my massive brainpower. As for fuckin cripple, I just added it, good suggestion. Also, did I give you the Atari emulator for the xbox? If not, I can, or Jack probably can. You can play all your old favs...  
Zilla - I have only updated to v040. And I don't run it as my dash, I only launch it to mess with it since it's so far from being functionally complete that Evox is still superior. I will watch out on xbox scene until they say it's safe. As for the new Media Player, did you compile it or is the new version out? I like it a lot, but it still can't beat my Rosstation. Still, I play with it fairly often.  
And will someone start playing Wolverine so that I'm not alone in my frustration? I finally did beat that boss I was talking about but it took me about 40 tries. I must be a fuckin cripple...
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 29, 2003 10:33 AM
Ross - I downloaded an already compiled CVS of XBMP. Version 2.4 isn't out yet, but this is the latest (non-point) version.  
I got Minority Report and Fireblade. Haven't heard too much about MR but it looks kinda cool so far. Plays similar to Buffy/Indy. Gotta get Wolvie yet.  

From: Ross Entered on: April 29, 2003 11:08 AM
Minority Report got shitty reviews. I didn't bother. Then again, Wolverine's aren't stellar. What is fireblade? Helicopters or something? I think I started to get it but cancelled it from lack of interest.  
By the way, CVS is a type of source code control, so I think what you mean to say is that you have an already compiled version of XBMP that some guy pulled from the public CVS repository.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 29, 2003 11:28 AM
Dude, isn't that what I said? :)  
Yes, Fireblade is some kind of helicopter game. It looks kinda weak (go figure). I can't believe the number of games that come out for these systems. How do most of them even sell enough to make any money? Oh yeah, I just got Kelly Slater Pro Surfer too. Woo Woo!  

From: John Entered on: April 29, 2003 8:56 PM
Let's start with the Bone's guestion first. Spider-man can Lift-press 10 tons, which far exceeds what 10 men are capable of. The only problem I've ever had with what Zilla said was his assertion that Spider-man was as strong as 10 men. This of course is preposterous! Unless you know any men that can heave a ton over thier heads. I agree Spider-man supposedly has the propotionate strength of a spider, whatever that is. Right or wrong Mavel comics has assessed this as the ability to lift-press 10 tons. I assure Zilla if he looks back at the old Marvel Universe issues it will back up these statements.
From: The Bone Entered on: April 29, 2003 2:15 PM
Roche. How strong is Captain America? Silver Surfer? Who would win - Bullseye vs Punisher?
From: Ross Entered on: April 29, 2003 2:28 PM
Allow me to chime in if I may. I know that Cap's strength is that he can lift-press 800lbs, which according to Marvel is the peak of human strength. Interestingly, that same site with the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine site above did a Batman vs. Captain America fight also (the fights are decided by votes) and Cap BARELY pulled out the win (by less than a percent).  
As for Silver Surfer, I cannot fully remember but I bet Roche can. I seem to recall that he was one of the stronger Heralds of Galactus, and I'm thinking he could lift 100 tons, but only exactly that, and thus not considered "class 100" (being able to do over 100 tons).  
And if I were a Punisher fan I'm sure I'd say he'd whup Bullseye. Most comic fans would say so. But since I'm not, I root for Bullseye.  
Roche? Your opinions are canonical in this forum. We are eager for your judgement.
From: John Entered on: April 29, 2003 3:25 PM
As for Captain America, Ross is right on. Silver Surer on the other hand is full class 100. I believe he can use the "power cosmic" to enhance his strength to this level. Punisher vs. Bullseye is a toss up in my opinion. Bullets move faster than even Bullseye can throw, but this is comic book land, so Bullseye has a fighting chance. I would like to address the Daredevil vs. Punisher in the hand to hand debate though. The Punisher is Military trained in hand to hand as far as I know. Daredevil was trained by Stick, an elite fighting master. For years Stick tought Matt to use his abilities to become what I believe to be one of the best hand to hand combatants in the Marvel Universe. The Punisher's training on the other hand was not as hand to hand intensive, therefor Daredevil would most likely kick his ass!
From: John Entered on: April 29, 2003 4:21 PM
One more thing, even with steroids the strongest men in the world have not yet bench-pressed 800 pounds, much less lifted it over thier head. 775 is about the best bench-press I've heard of. In fact I believe the world record clean and jerk is just over 600 pounds. This is easily 5 times stronger than an average man. By Zilla's rational, Spider-man is only twice as strong as the stongest men. Say the strongest lift over a mans head is around 600 pounds, even if you say Spider-man is as strong as 10 of the strongest men in the world this does not even come close to 10 tons.  
So unless Ross is right and Zilla saw a new much weaker version of Spider-man, the statement of being as strong as 10 men is erroneous. If that is the case then Spider-man would not even be as strong as a lion or a gorilla. I saw where an adult male lion could be as much as 15 times as strong an average man.  
An average man by the way can't even bench 150 pounds without having worked out before. I've seen it many times in the gym as well with people I know. In thier first attempts at lifting any kind of wieght it is usually pitiful. In conclusion the average man is not very strong at all.
From: Ross Entered on: April 29, 2003 4:21 PM
Roche, you're not going to like this one: on that superhero fight website, they pitted Nightwing (the grown-up original Robin) against Daredevil and the majority of people chose Nightwing as whupping his ass! One guy in particular I read said that Daredevil only trained with Stick for a couple months whereas NIghtwing trained with Batman his whole life, which is why I bring this up. How well do we know how long DD trained with Stick?  
Anyway, if you're interested, here's the DD vs. NIghtwing fight page:
From: John Entered on: April 29, 2003 4:39 PM
Regardless, Daredevil over the years has fought and held his own against many of the best hand to hand combatants the Marvel Universe has to offer. I believe he is completely underrated, mostly because of a lack of familiarity with his charactor. As for how long he trained, that could be true, although I'm going to find out. DD is a very seasoned combatant nonetheless. For example, I've seen him fight Iron Fist (A man trained his whole life to be the best) and hold his own quite well. In fact I've seen DD take on several martial arts experts at once and prevail. Fuck Nightwing, he is a Dick anyway. Batman is also well trained but relies on gadgets more in a fight than DD. DD is more hand to hand intensive. Look at some of the moves he uses in fights with Bullseye in the old Frank days, need I say more?
From: The Bone Entered on: April 29, 2003 5:16 PM
Who would win - Daredevil vs a Kodiak bear? How about the Punisher vs a lion? Big Fatty vs a Cheesburger?  
By the way I think Daredevil would win in pure hand to hand against the Punisher, however I've seen the Punisher give Spider-Man a real hard time with rubber bullets. Actually anticipating his moves and shooting ahead of Spider-Man. So given a full weapons load out vs Daredevil, anything is possible. Bullseye is still fuckin sweet.  

From: John Entered on: April 29, 2003 8:39 PM
Daredevil vs a kodiak bear would have DD evading and would most likely be a stalemate. Punisher would just shoot the lion. As for Big Fatty vs a cheeseburger, my money is on the cheeseburger. Spider-Man could easily go up against a kodiak bear, he is far stronger and faster. Bullseye is in fact fucking sweet which is a credit to DD for having defeated him on so many occasions.
From: Ross Entered on: April 29, 2003 9:23 PM
I would just like to reiterate that I am so glad that Roche is finally online and enlightening us all. I'm not sure if you guys realize how big a treat this really is. Roche really does know more about this than probably any comic book writer out there. To put it this way: you are unlikely to find anywhere in your lives someone else who knows as much about superhero and real-life strength levels. This is the place to ask if you want your questions answered.
From: Ross Entered on: April 30, 2003 9:27 AM
I would like to change the topic very slightly and say that I am really really looking forward to X-Men 2 on Friday. I already have my tickets secured. Asshole Swerb has already seen it with his mutant powers of the press. He gave it a thumbs up. Almost every review I've read has been positive, too. Finally, a movie to look forward to!
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 30, 2003 10:16 AM
I love how Johnny likes to go on and on pummeling my "strong as 10 men" comment regarding Spider-Man (to the apparent giddy delight of Ross). First, I never stated this as an absolute fact -- I merely said I thought that's what I heard. Believe me when I say my whole world view will not be shattered if its not true. The "proportionate strength" bit is the only thing I know with certainty and is not up for debate.  
I gotta say I never saw the appeal of The Punisher. Is it his cool looking logo? Skulls are sooo out -- go buy a Megadeth cd! The Punisher is just some crazy fuck with a gun, right? It's not like he's Batman! Now Batman is sweet! And he doesn't merely "rely on his gadgets"... he's smart as fuck! And he works out and eats right.  
Nightwing has my total respect too. I remember an early issue of "The New Titans" where he was in bed with Starfire. Starfire, my friends! What a playa! Not bad for a white boy. They don't call him Dick for nothin.  
The guy that could take out all these turkeys (including the kodiak bear)? FIRESTORM!  

From: Ross Entered on: April 30, 2003 10:39 AM
Batman is definitely on the Zone. The thing with all these "regular" human superheroes is that when you pit them against each other in a fantasy fight, they are so evenly matched, it's kind of like the lion vs. tiger discussion. Think about it: every writer has a responsibility to the character, to make them more interesting, in making that guy the best a normal human can be at whatever it is they do - else they're not a super hero. For guys of this type, the fight probably could be decided on which of them most recently ate a meal or masturbated.  
Regarding the Punisher, as Roche and I were discussing the other day, his training as far as we know is military in nature and let's face it: even elite groups of special forces don't have the hand-to-hand training that these whiz-bang comic book martial artists have. Why bother with this shit if you can turn yourself into a walking arsenal? I give him props but I'm in Roche's camp: he's just not in league with the likes of Captain America, Batman, or Daredevil.  
And yes, fuck Nightwing.  
As for the 10 men thing, I will admit that I take some delight in this (although as far as I can see I only mention it twice in this discussion). The main thing I delight in (which probably still hasn't been accomplished) is having Jack realize (as Bone, Fatty and I do from constant exposure to John over the years) that John has a certain mastery over these matters that should be respected. The way I heard the original story was basically that you, Jack, were kind of poo-pooing John's account, while the rest of us know much better than to do so. Now I wasn't there, and it is possible that John misread your attitude toward his statements. It has happened before. But I thought it would be fun to discuss regardless.  
John is fallable to be sure, but much less so than the rest of us when it comes to comic book characters and their powers.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 30, 2003 11:37 AM
"And yes, fuck Nightwing"  
I believe Starfire did just that. I bet Nightwing did Wonder Girl too. In fact, I bet he got freaky with Raven... she's probably into all sorts of wild shit (being the spawn of a demon and all).  

From: Ross Entered on: April 30, 2003 11:45 AM
I just never had much of an affinity for DC comics, except for Batman. Some of this was due to Roche's influence I'm sure, as I was younger and impressionable. Also the old Superfriends kind of lent a fruity air to that whole spectrum for me. On the other hand, I find the Justice League cartoon on Cartoon Network to be excellent. I just wish they'd come up with some new episodes. Also, I don't know if you guys are aware, but MTV is coming out with a new Spider-Man cartoon that's based on the "Ultimate" version of Spidey. I think it's going to be out this fall. Doogie Howser does his voice.
From: The Bone Entered on: April 30, 2003 12:07 PM
Justice League is sweet. It's hard to believe a grown ass man like myself would watch it but it's pretty well done. Not too cheesy like Superfriends.  
I've always had a problem with Spider-Man. I thought it was because Roche loved him so much, I had to balance the Universe by not liking him. However, I tend to like somewhat grittier characters. Partly because the cartoon series made him kind of gay. I really liked when the Black suit took over. He kicked ass then. His moves are cool but he thinks he's clever with his little sayings. He's just kind of lame. Kind of bouncy like a high school cheerleader. I do like him in some of the comics I've seen though. I don't hate him, he just doesn't do much for me.
From: Creeko Entered on: April 30, 2003 12:18 PM
This reminds me of a debate between John and Ross over who was more powerful... Darth Vader or Yoda. I think it ended with John besmirchingly insinuating that Yoda was going to kick Darth Vader?s ass by taking his flashlight and saying "Mine, mine, mine!"  
Oh, if Darth Vader is spelled with a hyphen, I beg you pardon.  

From: Ross Entered on: April 30, 2003 12:29 PM
To be fair, I think in Roche's mind, Spider-Man is grittier than he really is. Because there are gritty portrayls of him (where Kraven the Hunter "kills" him, for one, as well as the whole Sin Eater saga). Actually it seems to me that the "Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man" title tended to be a bit harsher than the others.  
But also you have to keep in mind that Spidey's powers and skills seem to have grown over the years (at least up until the time I stopped reading him). Back in my heyday, he not only demonstrated his superiority over Wolverine in the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine comic, but against the entire X-Men in Secret Wars. He told Wolverine that he thought he was a joke. He also whupped the shit out of the Firelord (another Herald of Galactus, like the Silver Surfer, though not quite as powerful), who was 7 or 8 times stronger than him. Finally, Titania, some super strong bitch who beat She Hulk NEARLY TO DEATH, got her ass kicked so thoroughly by Spider-Man that she was terrified of him and refused to fight him.  
So yes, Spider-Man does frequently come off a bit campy - which every fan will explain as his way of dealing with the stresses of being in life-threatening situations - but there are definite times when he get serious and turns into an ass whupping machine that practically no one can ignore.  
One other favorite story of mine that bears mention: the death of Gwen Stacy. When the Green Goblin kills her (the inspiration for the scene in the movie where he drops the cable car and Mary Jane at the same time), Spider-Man goes nucking futs and beats him nearly to death. And of course the Green Goblin dies at the end of that one in exactly the same fashion as in the movie.
From: Ross Entered on: April 30, 2003 12:30 PM
Creeko: well, after Episode II, I kind of feel vindicated. Wouldn't you agree?
From: The Bone Entered on: April 30, 2003 4:32 PM
Who would win in a cage-match between a comic book nerd, a Starwars geek, a Trekkie, or a Dungeons and Dragons dork? Assuming all spent equivelent time preparing preparing.
From: John Entered on: April 30, 2003 4:54 PM
Bert is right, my favorite Spider-Man stories were always the grittier ones. This is my preferred depiction of Spider-Man. Heck, even Batman was potrayed in a campy fashion for years, however most of us prefer the grittier version. Batman is a fucking sweet charactor despite some of the gay portrayals. All I'm saying is lets give Spider-Man at least a modicum of respect, he deserves it. There are plenty sweet stories in the Spidey comics, Bert mentioned a few. Spider-Man is sweet and thats my HUGE OPINION!
From: John Entered on: April 30, 2003 4:43 PM
I'm a Star Wars geek and I would pit myself against any of these guys with confidence. Then again I was and to some degree still am a comic book nerd. Well suffice to say if I'm involved, i'm going to win, and thats another HUGE OPINION!
From: Jackzilla Entered on: April 30, 2003 6:09 PM
Bone -  
Who is this comic-book-nerd-Star Wars-geek-Trekkie-D&D-dork fighting against?  
Oh... you mean they're NOT the same person? Nevermind.  

From: The Bone Entered on: April 30, 2003 7:02 PM
I only kid. I like comics although I haven't bought one in years. I love Star Wars - the trilogy is on my all time favorites list. Star Trek is cool too. Dungeons and Dragons is for huge dorks though.
From: Ross Entered on: April 30, 2003 7:30 PM
Star Wars - is sweet. If you don't like it, you are a communist. Get out of my country.  
Star Trek - take it or leave it. Some of the old ones were cool, and some of the Next Generation ones were cool, but other than that, the rest is pretty much lame. Wrath of Kahn kicked tons of ass, too.  
Comic Books - I don't buy them anymore but I still like to reminisce on them. Actually I still buy stuff by Frank Miller, but he hasn't been doing much lately.  
D & D - is for total asshats. If you own any dice with more than six sides, get out of my country.
From: The Bone Entered on: April 30, 2003 7:49 PM
Asshat - I like that. I'm super fuckin bored at work. It's 2:45pm and out of my good work ethic I'm forcing myself to sit here and play on the internet until 3:00, at which point I'm walking out because I won't be able to take it anymore.
From: Creeko Entered on: May 5, 2003 8:52 AM
Ross -  
I have to concur on Episode II, Yoda had some sweet moves. I?m sure he could give Darth Vader a run for his money. Anyway, he?s been a Jedi far longer than Lord Vader. If he can't beat him with the saber, I'm sure he'll get him with his Jedi mind tricks.
From: Ross Entered on: May 5, 2003 9:45 PM
Back to Wolverine - I am calling it quits on this game. The fucking thing is too hard. It makes you play for FAR too long only to get to a particularly difficult part, die, and repeat the process. Fuck this game. No wonder the reviews sucked.
From: John Entered on: May 6, 2003 11:47 AM
I too am stuck on the game I am playing, Blood Omen 2. The Bone had an idea for me that I may implement, but if it does not work I may abort my endeavor to beat this game. I'm seriously considering playing Splinter Cell which I'm sure Bert would love. In fact Splinter Cell may be just the ticket to get me excited about the X-Box once again.
From: The Bone Entered on: May 6, 2003 11:51 AM
Roche, you can't give up on a video game just because you can't figure it out. Thousands of teenagers have figured it out. Excercise your mental powers. Hell, even I figured it out. Mellisa is smart. Have her help you out. Or maybe little Andrew can get you through it.
From: Ross Entered on: May 6, 2003 12:16 PM
Splinter Cell is the best single player game on the xbox. Yes, it's even better than Halo. Halo's allure is the multiplayer, though it still has a very strong single player component.
From: John Entered on: May 6, 2003 6:01 PM
I won't give up entirely on Blood Omen 2, but I have started Splinter Cell. I think I will play them both. A change of pace was needed and hopefully it will motivate me to conquer Blood Omen 2. I have beaten many games and Blood Omen 2 will be no exception. However, for now I'm going to focus on Splinter Cell.
From: John Entered on: May 6, 2003 6:03 PM
Oh, one more thing, Splinter Cell is FUCKING SWEET!!!
From: The Bone Entered on: May 6, 2003 6:19 PM
I've been dying to play spinter cell. I've held off buying it so I can get the burned version, however my lack of chip is fornicating my process.
From: John Entered on: May 6, 2003 6:34 PM
HaHaHa, This is a game I'm positive the Bone will love. I'd almost suggest getting it if I were not so againt buying games. Personally, I have not bought a single game and just can't imagine doing so. Hopefully the Bone will be fortified with a chip soon.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: May 7, 2003 1:40 AM
Well Fatty & I modded two more boxes tonight! 100 GIG drives and all! Both are V1.1 boxes (which are harder to chip). Fatty literally let the Force guide him. It was sweet and I was lucky to witness this feat. If you felt a disturbance in the Force, it was Fatty using his Jedi Mind Tricks to align the chip WITHOUT the green LED... only the Force to guide him...  
So the BOBBOX and CATBOX live! Next up: The BADBOX and DUKBOX and the very HEART of the BONEBOX.  
We are utilizing all of our Matrix Programmers in a wonderful arts and craft collage project. If we send in 10 Programmers to EASYBUY2000 do you think we can get a free T-shirt or mug?  

From: Creeko Entered on: May 7, 2003 5:07 AM
I played Splinter Cell almost all the way through on the Play2 and thought it was better than fried chicken. Now now own it on my Xbox (Limeded edition Xbox + Halo & Splinter Cell Pack ?250) only to find that they improved a little on the story on PS2. None-the-less, Xbox kicks PS2's ass on use of light and shadow. By far the sweetest game, highly recommended.  
I havent really started playing Halo yet, I hope it lives up to the hype!
From: Creeko Entered on: May 7, 2003 5:10 AM
Jack - Will -  
Please advise on Xbox sweetening
From: Ross Entered on: May 7, 2003 7:32 AM
Creeko -  
My advice is get the Executor 2 - best chip out there right now. You can get the "Pogo Pins" so you don't have to solder. Here's a link:

From: Jackzilla Entered on: May 7, 2003 9:45 AM
Creeko -  
That Limited Edition Xbox isn't the sweet looking bright green one is it? If so... Papa like!  
Regarding Halo: Although it's a sweet one player game (or even 2-player co-op), it's in multiplayer (especially System Linked) where it REALLY shines and has proven to be everyone's favorite. We've played up to 15 players at once (on four machines) but have since settled on eight-player games (the logistics for carrying off a successful 16-player match are crazy).  
Regarding sweetening your box: Here's what we're doing with The Bone (who finally got his chip). Fatty is gonna pick up a new harddrive for him (Circuit City has 120 gigs for $80 after rebate this week) and we're gonna fill it up with goodies and send it to him (installing new HHDs are easy as pie!). Maybe Wilbur can do the same for you and bring it with him when he visits...  

From: The Bone Entered on: May 7, 2003 10:51 AM
Creeko what's 250 euros in real money? I can't wait for the mod process to begin. With the chip and hardrive you'll be able to rent a game from Senior Blockbuster and save it to the hard drive. I wonder if Bill Gates knows what we are doing. He probably has a sniper in the bushes at Jack's house right now. Zilla - quick turn off the light and cover the windows.
From: Ross Entered on: May 7, 2003 10:59 AM
According to this site:  
1 Euro (EUR) = 1.14260 US Dollar (USD)  
so, 250 Euro (EUR) = 285.650 US Dollar (USD)  
So he got Splinter Cell and Halo for about $43 apiece. So no real savings, but it wasn't a ripoff either.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: May 7, 2003 11:24 AM
My net cost for my brother's CATBOX (xbox, two S-controllers, 100 gig HDD and modchip) after rebates and including sales tax: $267.07. I showed Fatty the final figures last night so he can verify.  
Beat that, kiddies...  

From: John Entered on: May 7, 2003 12:28 PM
I believe that may be unbeatable, stop making me jealous Zilla, it's not nice.  
I also wanted to say Bert is right, Splinter Cell may be the best 1 player game out there. Of course Halo is the best multiplayer game out there. So Creeko, your going to have to play Halo in multiplayer mode to get the full effect.
From: Creeko Entered on: May 8, 2003 7:47 AM
?250 in Spain for an Xbox is actually a bargain considering a PS2 with no games costs the same. Besides, you can't just compare $ to ?. You have to take into account average earnings, cost of living, sales volume Spain vs. US and other thing that only Adam Smith would understand.  
I earn far less than I woud in the US but the cost of living is also lower. You also have to consider the exchange rate, before the war, the value of the dollar and the Euro were about even so a few months ago the same ?250 would have been equivallent to $250 and a year ago it would have been even less because the dollar was worth more the the Euro.  
By Spanish standards it was a steal!
From: Ross Entered on: May 10, 2003 8:20 PM
I just started playing Enter the Matrix on the Xbox. Man, it is SWEET. You guys are going to love the fighting moves - it's straight out of the movie - you can go into slow mo and they will automatically have you jumping off walls and kicking people and shit. And you can see bullets coming at you and dodge them - it's kind of like Max Payne, except it makes more sense and is cooler here because it's in the universe that invented bullet-time.
From: John Entered on: May 11, 2003 9:59 AM
SWEET!!!- I can't wait to get this game. Hopefully Zilla will be able to fit it into his hectic schedule for he truly is a busy man. At any rate I'm looking forward to playing this game.

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